What do you think?

[Jim Grimsby]

What do you think a bout games that you take your time putting up on either your front-page or your message site that don't keep the scores?
I know that I have got a lot of negative responses to this! And I have wrote the companies letting them know that we give them free advertisement and I really don't feel that we get anything in return!
If you were to place an add on my front-page it would cost you $50 a month I think these companies are getting free advertisement and we're not getting anything in return!

How do you feel about this?

Jim Grimsby

aka

BigFoot48us

[Angel_Mapper]

If it worked that way we'd all be millionaires and game companies would be going out of business.

No.

[Jim Grimsby]

Originally Posted by Angel_Mapper

If it worked that way we'd all be millionaires and game companies would be going out of business.

No.

So you think it is ok for them to do that?

[Angel_Mapper]

Do what?

[Jim Grimsby]

Originally Posted by Angel_Mapper

Do what?

I have 130 games online that you play at no cost ot the user I have 17 games that you can play that doesn't keep the score I feel if your advertising the game and the companies name they should give you a game that keeps the score for the user. I don't feel that they are that you take the time to play the game and get a good score and the game doesn't save for your!

Even UT2004 give you a server that you can put up for FREE

[Kingster]

I think that what we need is a bit more information, Jim. Give us some examples of what you're talking about... We're gonna need it to give you a better answer than what you've gotten.

[Angel_Mapper]

Originally Posted by Jim Grimsby

I have 17 games that you can play that doesn't keep the score

I have no idea what you mean by that, and I don't understand the connection between "keeping the score" and advertising.

[Berjj]

I'm just as confused..

[Jim Grimsby]

Originally Posted by Kingster

I think that what we need is a bit more information, Jim. Give us some examples of what you're talking about... We're gonna need it to give you a better answer than what you've gotten.

Hi Kingster

OK let he tried to explain it this way I have 130 games that you can play online free of charge that did not costing anything some of those games have advertisements for the company and the programmer that wrote the game I have 17 games that are up and they have advertisements for the company but they don't keep the score I think if you're given the company free advertisement they should give you game that at least keeps the score. I was just wondering if it was me that was thinking this way or are there other users out there that fill the same way! They're really not giving anything up when you put it on your board and you advertise for them there get in that for free? I don't feel that the user should spend their time trying to get a higher score and the game not say that. Trying not to advertise my board if you would take a look at it you will see what I meen. I guess I'm just a little frustrated.

Thank you!

[godIZme]

Originally Posted by Jim Grimsby

Hi Kingster

OK let he tried to explain it this way I have 130 games that you can play online free of charge that did not costing anything some of those games have advertisements for the company and the programmer that wrote the game I have 17 games that are up and they have advertisements for the company but they don't keep the score I think if you're given the company free advertisement they should give you game that at least keeps the score. I was just wondering if it was me that was thinking this way or are there other users out there that fill the same way! They're really not giving anything up when you put it on your board and you advertise for them there get in that for free? I don't feel that the user should spend their time trying to get a higher score and the game not say that. Trying not to advertise my board if you would take a look at it you will see what I meen. I guess I'm just a little frustrated.

Thank you!

Sorry but ......... .....

[Jim Grimsby]

Sorry I'm not trying to confuse anybody I just thought I would ask a question.

[Spiff]

well i meanthey provide the game as it is, you surely bought it knowing the limitations. The providers of the game probably havent done anything dishonest here.

But ill agree there are a lot of dodgy net games out there

[Dorkorama]

Grimsby; are you confuing the credits for advertisement? Almost nobody / no group will work on a project for years and release it without putting their name on it.

You think it's unfair to have to pay for running a server instead of the game company? Possibly, but think about all that requires and the pitfalls.
The company needs to make enough revenue to purchase servers, the electricity to run them, the Internet connections to, the staff to correct any problems that may occur (call center / message board, administrators, technical staff), and any licensing fees for technologies that they rent from other companies.
That's a lot of money.

Also, tthey need to try to prevent cheating.
Many games can only be monitored for cheating by using servers directly in contorl of the company, hence paying for all of those expense listed above. To pay for it they charge more for the game and often entail a monthly fee. On top of that they tend to put in CD-Keys and copy protection to prevent the cheaters from getting in through loopholes, which tends to just be a pain to the gamers.

Oh, and when the company is tired of supporting the game (read, newer games have stolen their audience) then you can't play it anymore.


OR
You can put the task of runing and maintaining the servers in the hands of the community.
Each player only needs to purchase the game, which tends to go down in price as do single-player games. The company runs a few game servers so people can try it out as well as a master server to direct people using an in-game server browser
Groups can set up the servers, paying for the hosting. The advantage is that each server can be customized with new content by the community, have more scrutiny by the group running it than a company could possibly do. faster reactions to problems, a generally tighter knit group, and the game doesn't die simply because the company cannot profit from it any longer.

So, yes, it may cost $40 to $120 to pay for running the a game server (depends on the game and number of players) but you are afforded control over it. IF you really look hard and ask around enough you may find places willing to pay for hosting, in whole or in part, in turn for advertising space on a related site or a small blurb in-game.

[Jim Grimsby]

Originally Posted by Spiff

well i meanthey provide the game as it is, you surely bought it knowing the limitations. The providers of the game probably havent done anything dishonest here.

But ill agree there are a lot of dodgy net games out there

I will admit they did nothing wrong! But I do feel when they say the game is free if you have a web site. Then the should be free and it is somewhat. Here's what I have a problem with they give you the game for free they put their advertisement in the game therefore you are advertising for them and that should be worse something. You take the time to put it on your site and it looks good but now you find out that it will not keep the score for the users. Even if the user spends 15 minutes playing the game to get a high score or to get any kind of score the game should save it. Why play the game if you can't compete? Even if they would say we will give you a game if you have a web site at a discount price and let them have their advertisement in it but be fully functional now that I would not have a problem with.

[Jim Grimsby]

Originally Posted by Dorkorama

Grimsby; are you confuing the credits for advertisement? Almost nobody / no group will work on a project for years and release it without putting their name on it.

No I am not talking about credits. And yes I believe that the author should get paid for there games! I am talking about flash games that you can put on your web site and users can sign in and can play the game. You spent a lot of your time writing the HTML code for the game just to find out it will not save the scores! Now not only you have time involved by writing the script for the users to play the game but the user has time involved playing the game and it doesn't save the score! So why play the game if you can not compete? If they would offer it to you at a discount rate and be fully functional I would not have a problem with that! But they give you the impression that it is free if you have a web site all you have to do is downloaded. They don't mention that it will not save the scores and they put their advertisement in the game so you are advertising for them for nothing.