DM-CaveDigger-a1

Soma · 03-03-2003, 11:04 AM

This "in-progress" built of my first map, was just getting an impression of how the size, layout etc. would work with the game and of course, to test how the big static meshes and their textures used on this map would affect fps. Still got some problems on how I could make the grounds your walking on. - Would it be possible to make different terrrains for each platform, so i could use the advance of layer textureing. And so on. There's still a few thing i need to think about. (Zones, Portal, Antiportal,...)

Next built will have gangways to the lower platforms that are not reachable at this point and much more. Im still working on all models for testing and learning.

Thanks for your time.

Soma

**Spiffness** · 03-03-2003, 07:43 PM

:: edited ::

http://www.unrealplayground.com/download.php?mapid=2292

I'll check her out, expect feedback soon.

***Blitz*** · 03-04-2003, 07:44 AM

Welcome, Soma.

I didn't try this with bots yet, but the framerates were great. Given that, I probably wouldn't replace what you have with terrain. Static meshes are more effecient than terrain, and it looks like you built this whole thing out of meshes.

I have a couple of suggestions; first a general comment, and then some specifics. In deathmatch levels, you want to avoid dead ends as much as you can. Players should be always on the move, and the layout of your map should encourage this.

The following refer to the attached picture:

1. These places where the bridge meshes join to the platforms need to be smooth enough to walk up without getting stuck.
2. These rocks look like they're floating in space.
3. Noticed a lot of weapon bases sticking up at odd angles. You can rotate these in the editor for slight adjustments, or try to find more level surfaces.

Great start; keep at it!

**Spiffness** · 03-04-2003, 11:01 AM

Alright, here goes':

I didnt have any FPS problems on my not so beastly machine.

Some of your meshes look a little streched IMO.

You might want to try spreading out your ammo so that its not all cramped up near its relative gun, force players to move around the map more, wich brings me to:

The map flows slower than preferable for a DM map, the long connecting bridges really pug things down. You might want to invest some time into finding ways to make the map feel smaller.

Right next to the shock rifle, there is an extreemly streched texture on the ground.

Wheres the adreniline?

Hope some of that helps you form your next beta, I await it eagerly

Love the setting possiblities.

- Spiff

Soma · 03-05-2003, 10:14 PM

Hey

Thank you guys for the feedback!

Blitz, I now you meant it for the good, but i knew about this stuff already, as I was rushing on that parts you mentioned... but thank a lot for the tips anyway...

The models were only half finished and the pickups placed really quickly.

I also thought about the level would flow better if I'd add some more areas and maybe make the whole meshes a litttle bit smaller.... thats what i did. I dont think that the long bridge really slows down the game like you said Spiffness, i see it more as an area for interesting battles while paying attention not to fall down... ;o) But anyway its a little smaller now. - While working on that I sticked some new texture on the models

I'll post some shots here... as i will not going to post the next beta i a few time untill it gots the finished layout i intended to do so far.

Thank again for the help.

cya Soma

**Spiffness** · 03-05-2003, 10:16 PM

NP at all, cant wait for the new beta

Soma · 03-05-2003, 10:18 PM

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Soma · 03-05-2003, 10:24 PM

last one... while its so sweet

03-03-2003, 11:04 AM	#1
Soma goosy Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Switzerland Posts: 71 My Files: 9	DM-CaveDigger-a1 This "in-progress" built of my first map, was just getting an impression of how the size, layout etc. would work with the game and of course, to test how the big static meshes and their textures used on this map would affect fps. Still got some problems on how I could make the grounds your walking on. - Would it be possible to make different terrrains for each platform, so i could use the advance of layer textureing. And so on. There's still a few thing i need to think about. (Zones, Portal, Antiportal,...) Next built will have gangways to the lower platforms that are not reachable at this point and much more. Im still working on all models for testing and learning. Thanks for your time. Soma

03-03-2003, 07:43 PM	#2
Spiffness This world is a possibiliy Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,973 My Files: 2	:: edited :: http://www.unrealplayground.com/download.php?mapid=2292 I'll check her out, expect feedback soon. __________________ Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy. - Ernest Benn ---- "And each and everyday will lead into tomorrow And tomorrow brings one less day without you But don't wait up just leave the light on 'Cause all the roads that I might take will all one day lead back to you" - Rise Against Last edited by Spiffness; 03-03-2003 at 08:34 PM.

03-04-2003, 07:44 AM	#3
*Blitz* Administrator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Neenah, WI USA Posts: 3,217 My Files: 18	Welcome, Soma. I didn't try this with bots yet, but the framerates were great. Given that, I probably wouldn't replace what you have with terrain. Static meshes are more effecient than terrain, and it looks like you built this whole thing out of meshes. I have a couple of suggestions; first a general comment, and then some specifics. In deathmatch levels, you want to avoid dead ends as much as you can. Players should be always on the move, and the layout of your map should encourage this. The following refer to the attached picture: 1. These places where the bridge meshes join to the platforms need to be smooth enough to walk up without getting stuck. 2. These rocks look like they're floating in space. 3. Noticed a lot of weapon bases sticking up at odd angles. You can rotate these in the editor for slight adjustments, or try to find more level surfaces. Great start; keep at it! Attached Thumbnails __________________ "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." - Ralph Waldo Emerson Advanced UT2003/UT2004 Bot Pathing Tutorial 1on1 Ultra-Duel (UT2004 version available!)

03-04-2003, 11:01 AM	#4
Spiffness This world is a possibiliy Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,973 My Files: 2	Alright, here goes': I didnt have any FPS problems on my not so beastly machine. Some of your meshes look a little streched IMO. You might want to try spreading out your ammo so that its not all cramped up near its relative gun, force players to move around the map more, wich brings me to: The map flows slower than preferable for a DM map, the long connecting bridges really pug things down. You might want to invest some time into finding ways to make the map feel smaller. Right next to the shock rifle, there is an extreemly streched texture on the ground. Wheres the adreniline? Hope some of that helps you form your next beta, I await it eagerly Love the setting possiblities. - Spiff __________________ Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy. - Ernest Benn ---- "And each and everyday will lead into tomorrow And tomorrow brings one less day without you But don't wait up just leave the light on 'Cause all the roads that I might take will all one day lead back to you" - Rise Against

03-05-2003, 10:14 PM	#5
Soma goosy Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Switzerland Posts: 71 My Files: 9	new in progess shots Hey Thank you guys for the feedback! Blitz, I now you meant it for the good, but i knew about this stuff already, as I was rushing on that parts you mentioned... but thank a lot for the tips anyway... The models were only half finished and the pickups placed really quickly. I also thought about the level would flow better if I'd add some more areas and maybe make the whole meshes a litttle bit smaller.... thats what i did. I dont think that the long bridge really slows down the game like you said Spiffness, i see it more as an area for interesting battles while paying attention not to fall down... ;o) But anyway its a little smaller now. - While working on that I sticked some new texture on the models I'll post some shots here... as i will not going to post the next beta i a few time untill it gots the finished layout i intended to do so far. Thank again for the help. cya Soma Attached Thumbnails

03-05-2003, 10:16 PM	#6
Spiffness This world is a possibiliy Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,973 My Files: 2	NP at all, cant wait for the new beta __________________ Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy. - Ernest Benn ---- "And each and everyday will lead into tomorrow And tomorrow brings one less day without you But don't wait up just leave the light on 'Cause all the roads that I might take will all one day lead back to you" - Rise Against

03-05-2003, 10:18 PM	#7
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