Bow Down!

[|PesT|Lexivore]

Bow down to Toymaker.

*Me bows and then runs and hides.

[|PesT|Lexivore]

Oops.
Made a dumb comment about the totals when I thought this was all done in 14 hours and 52 min. LOL
Hey that is one kill every 3 seconds, 2 kills a minute is more the reality and realistic.

Still a very impressive total.:rockon:

[Recon]

16,000?






Thats nice.

[|PesT|Lexivore]

Sorry I made a mistake when I posted that. I had misread it as 14h 52m.

I was going to start asking some questions about how he managed 16K in that period of time. And as I was posting the comments I noticed it was 147h 52m. Doh!

Of course at that point the delete button no longer works. Go figure.

Your stats tell me you play UT way too much. Still I don't know how you racked up that many frags. Must have been better in your younger days. :moon:


































Just kidding. Nice total Recon. It should only take me another year or two or three or maybe four to get to that kind of totals. Once I start playing again.

[RedMag*]

Recon RULES :D

[SoBeiT]

And at one point stats were reset too...Go Recon :)

[B.C.]

Recon rocks, look at the time he used to visit here!:blah:

[radio667]

You know i'm going to say it- so i'll say it ;) ..... Recon is god :rockon: !!!

[Ghost_of_War]

It doesn't matter man, stats mean absolutely nothing...

(Sorry Recon) I didn't realize that Recon was being featured in this thread before I posted... my comment is not intended to knock Recon in any way so please, don't start flaming. I was just pointing out that in general, server stats don't mean a damn thing when it comes to CTF. In CTF you can have a team that is out-scored in points by a 5-1 ratio and still win a match 10-0 in caps. In other words, many players play for their stats and those of us who try to win (in CTF) don't give a rat's arse about points and stats.

[Recon]

I agree, stats are not at all important to me either.

I see what PEST meant, though. An unusually high frag count in 1/10th the actual time would surprise any of us.

Contribution to your team and the effort is what its all about.

A good example. Someone who defends the flag well, will never get EFC kills, thus no 5 points/kill, thus low score in the end. But no denying it, he helped his team win.

Although youwere jokin,pest, it is true. I am getting worse, due to some personal issues. Its very frustrating going backwards. :(

PS
Toy rox!!

[Fnix.USA]

Originally posted by Ghost_of_War
It doesn't matter man, stats mean absolutely nothing...

(Sorry Recon) I didn't realize that Recon was being featured in this thread before I posted... my comment is not intended to knock Recon in any way so please, don't start flaming. I was just pointing out that in general, server stats don't mean a damn thing when it comes to CTF. In CTF you can have a team that is out-scored in points by a 5-1 ratio and still win a match 10-0 in caps. In other words, many players play for their stats and those of us who try to win (in CTF) don't give a rat's arse about points and stats.

They mean something when you see...

40 hours, 300 kills, 1200 deaths.

Compared to 40 hours, 5000 kills, 1000 deaths.

[StealthDP]

I always help my team by throwing myself in front of enemy fire...

[SoBeiT]

and you do it so well Stealth :D

[Doofus]

Originally posted by Recon
A good example. Someone who defends the flag well, will never get EFC kills, thus no 5 points/kill, thus low score in the end. But no denying it, he helped his team win.


Yah, I getta noa respect. I can't count the number of times I carried the flag home last night to find a base full of 5 enemies and NO defenders. I die they cap. Cries of "Base uncovered" unheeded. So now someone else is carrying the flag, so I go to base and clear out the riff-raff. They die, we cap.

Every once in awhile some team oriented player will communicate back, and I'll make it in safe (and I had some great cover on the way home in a few games). But maybe I should go on permanent base patrol when my team isn't ccmmunicating.

Except to help Shaq. :mad:

On the other hand, my stats went thru the roof in the back-to-back (thanks Freaky :evil: ) FIFAs last night where 90% of the time I defended our FC. So I suck less than it looks. :p

Regarding Toymaker: he doesn't die much, which means he kills more. Besides being a good ho, he doesn't often let you get a good shot at him. I've never seen someone xloc so quickly. He won't land until he's got plenty of distance to combo your ass if you are chasing him. If you get a chance to blindside him, you better make it good on the first hit, or he's gone or you're dead.

[Recon]

I have noticed that about alot of ho's lately. If they cant shoot you in the back, they run like hell.

"Oh no, they are shooting back, i better run". Pretty lame. Ive heard all the BS excuses too. "Why die unnecessarily", "I was using strategy to reposition myself for the kill.".

Yeah yeah, chicken ****, we all see your true colors. Why dont you just snipe, thats the same mentality.

or, "Cant combo cus the enemy is crawlin up my ass? Better alt spam then" Yet they are the biggest whiners about spam.

Jump in the middle of a fire fight, and be the last one standing, now thats the sheit there buddy. "Oh no, I like to stand Waaaayyy back so I can combo spam the crowd." Yeah yeah tough guy.

[AriTheDog]

Movers rock. :evil:

[Nitestalker]

Originally posted by Doofus
Except to help Shaq. :mad:

Regarding Toymaker: he doesn't die much, which means he kills more. Besides being a good ho, he doesn't often let you get a good shot at him. I've never seen someone xloc so quickly. He won't land until he's got plenty of distance to combo your ass if you are chasing him. If you get a chance to blindside him, you better make it good on the first hit, or he's gone or you're dead.

Is it just me or is shaq getting more anoying? Got Toymaker good on cryptic settlements , above of flag room, was on platform across from lift platform, he came up and got him with mini, he had our flag and speed. :)

[RedMag*]

Originally posted by Nitestalker
Is it just me or is shaq getting more anoying?

Yeah he dose...

[outdoor]

hmm.. i always thought toymaker was an aimbotter....:evil:


still, being honest, he's a very good at aiming and as doof said, rarely dies.

He plays dilligently; he knows for sure if he is gonna hit/miss an enemy. Usually his one on one dog fights won't last long. Either you kill him, he kills you, or he flees away [i]swiftly[i]. He's a really hard player to catch.




just my 2 cents.

[Doofus]

Originally posted by Nitestalker
Is it just me or is shaq getting more anoying?

He's annoying because he doesn't appear to give a crap about the rest of his team, because he rarely sticks around in a game where there's siginificant opposition, where he can't grab speed and shield and score at least 4 caps. So all of a sudden your team numbers are down in what may have been a close match, and you've lost an otherwise useful player. His nick should be "Mr. Dependable" or "AWOL".

[SoBeiT]

Honestly...Toymaker most likey gets bored and thats why he exits a game.

I've heard, not experienced, when your very good it can get boring playing with lesser players. Makes sense too.

Too many boneheaded mistakes made. They want certain actions/reactions on command and give the same back.

Its more a science to them, then just a game.

So look at it from their view.

Learn from them a long as they are here.

Enjoy the games...make friends :)

[Switch]

Yeah, sheesh. Not many rocket scientists on the servers as Doof said - everyone is a one-man team unless its regs covering regs. It's been really frustrating lately to be asking for someone to switch teams, asking for backup when you're trying to prevent the other team from capping their sixth while four guys and gals are after your ass, and dealing with horrible lag that makes the rockets that come out of your RL hit the back of your head....

I really can understand why the better players say "forget this," but I still keep coming back for more because of the one or two times a dy I will get coverage or be able to cover, be able to aim and hit someone in low lag, and have a good close game where everyone plays well, alongside the uber-hos. :p

[CJHobbes]

Originally posted by SoBeiT
Honestly...Toymaker most likey gets bored and thats why he exits a game.

I've heard, not experienced, when your very good it can get boring playing with lesser players. Makes sense too.

Too many boneheaded mistakes made. They want certain actions/reactions on command and give the same back.

Its more a science to them, then just a game.

So look at it from their view.

Learn from them a long as they are here.

Enjoy the games...make friends :)

Sobeit....I think Doofus was referring to the Shaq comment originally posted by Nitestalker, not commenting about Toymaker......

[SoBeiT]

doh....hehe.

[freshie]

Originally posted by StealthDP
I always help my team by throwing myself in front of enemy fire...

It's a valid strategy.

You see your flag carrier hot-footing past where you standing you look up and see 3 enemies with minis....

Step Up, Lock in the rockets and fire away... You'll likely die, but provide much needed relief for the flag carrier.

[CJHobbes]

But I agree completely with you, Sobeit.....have fun and make friends =).

[Doofus]

Originally posted by SoBeiT
Honestly...Toymaker most likey gets bored and thats why he exits a game.

I was referring to Shaq. I've never seen Toymaker leave out of the blue.

You can learn loads by specing Shaq: good routes, where EVERYTHING is in a map, etc. But it's hard to respect him because of his lone ranger attitude.

And on Stairs of Health the other day, he was piston camping the enemy portal as I exited with flag. I about dropped the flag on principle. Cheap. Probably didn't want to dent his shield belt preparing for his own run.

[|PesT|Lexivore]

Originally posted by Doofus
I was referring to Shaq. I've never seen Toymaker leave out of the blue.

You can learn loads by specing Shaq: good routes, where EVERYTHING is in a map, etc. But it's hard to respect him because of his lone ranger attitude.

And on Stairs of Health the other day, he was piston camping the enemy portal as I exited with flag. I about dropped the flag on principle. Cheap. Probably didn't want to dent his shield belt preparing for his own run.

Sorry Doofus but my experience here has been that there are a good many players who frequent this place with that attitude. If they can't be the one who caps they aren't going to help you or play ethically.

No offense to the many good respectable players here, just that there are some bad apples.

Recon made a comment about me and thiskind of thing, only he was defending playing like Shaq.:dunno: Lord only knows why he felt like doing that.

[CJHobbes]

Not to try and flame or insult anybody here, but I think this debate has been a long-standing one ever since FPSs came out onto the market: fun level differences.

Shaq was pistoning the portal because, hey, maybe he knew you were coming that way and it's an easy way to kill the pursuing enemy. Opposing players can go out the other way if they want to try and get you, they don't have to run up the top. Some people would equate that with standing there and shock-hoing the portal to help out the FC after he exited it. The end result is the same thing: enemy exits the portal and has no chance to continue further.

It all comes down to how you want to have fun. Some people only have fun when they win, so they use any sort of strategy they know to win the game; whether we think it's cheap or not, it is still in the game and they can use it if they like.

Some people have fun by playing "nobly". Meaning they don't use cheap tactics like pistoning a portal to help the FC out or spamming a hallway with flak to keep enemy players from entering that way.

Two different people, two styles of play: we're only human, we like different things, it's gonna happen. The former wants to win at any cost/strategy, the latter only wants to have fun.

Ah well, this debate has gone stale a long time ago, and I don't want to beat an already 10 cat-like dead horse....I'll just have fun playing a game that I enjoy the most on my PC.

:D

[Doofus]

Originally posted by CJHobbes
Not to try and flame or insult anybody here, but I think this debate has been a long-standing one ever since FPSs came out onto the market: fun level differences.

Point taken.

[Recon]

Originally posted by |PesT|Lexivore
Recon made a comment about me and thiskind of thing, only he was defending playing like Shaq.:dunno: Lord only knows why he felt like doing that.

You dont have the slightest idea wtf your talking about. If you did, you would have never made that statement.

[|PesT|Lexivore]

Loaded as in full armour, health, fav weapons, deemer and speed relic.

Then you come trottin in with 22 health, 2 rockets, deaf and blind in one eye. And you want cover?

Pfft, that loaded up reg knows youre already dead, he's waiting at the flagstand for the flag to get returned. During which time he is getting pelted with spam, reducing his chance of a successful cap.


Your exact words from the "Over Ownage" thread.

It is a team based game. I play for the team. Aside from last night I have not played a second of offense since that comment. I am still waiting for that loaded reg to show up and take the enemy flag so I can wait see how they do on their own. But I'm too big a person to throw a fellow team mate to the dogs. I'd cover them anyways; because I am a team player.

[SoBeiT]

Even loaded up regs need to HEAR from their team that they have back up.

Maybe that day they were there to play the middle or defense..who knows.

Some games go well, some don't. Sounds like some crappy games for you :(

[|PesT|Lexivore]

This was way back when I first got here.

I was thrown to the dogs because I was an unknown.

Today I play however I feel in clan matches. We play Zero Ping so lag is never an issue. Contrary to playing here so long as lag isn't an issue I don't even need that loaded reg for back up.

Here I suffer a number of connection related problems. Those are not going to simply go away and I am not in any position to do much about it. I would love to get a T1 in here and dump the cable connection but the cost to me is more than I am willing to pay right now.

I just don't condone piston camping, spawn killing, or any other kind of non-team player activities. If I pickup the flag I expect protectin from my team mate. Particularly the loaded guy/gal who could step up and take the flag if/when I die. But they don't get any personal glory out of that in the stats, so most wouldn't help the team because it isn't helping themselves. Which is the entire point of what I have been saying. Most "superior" players only help out if they have something to gain from it.:(

[Freakish]

Originally posted by |PesT|Lexivore
Most "superior" players only help out if they have something to gain from it.:(

It's too bad you feel that way.




But if that's how you feel, that's how you feel. Life, and differing opinions, go on.





..I just wish this thread would too..

[RectalSweat]

are you off your martyr soapbox yet?

While I'm sure you've seen your share of seemingly (legitimate or not) selfish play from regs. I think I speak on behalf of most regs when I say that the W is the most important thing. Most of us have been here long enough to get past the stats thing, and we're just playing for fun. And especially with this new flag point system based on percentage of carrying time, your argument yields even less merit.

But getting back to your point, I play very situationally. You better believe that if I think you're going to die and I think I would die trying to protect you, I'm throwing your decoy ass to the wolves. Because it will increase the chances of a cap after you've led people away. It's called strategy. On the other hand, if you've communicated to me that you are going on a serious run and are amped up, then let's go for it. I've taken the flag MANY a times with no real intention of capping, just wanting to serve as a distraction for any number of reasons.

Get over yourself.

RS

[|PesT|Lexivore]

The decoy thing would be fine if I didn't make it back to my base and end up wandering around while the "loaded" player sits and waits for the flag. My problem has not been with most of the regs it has been with the attitude of some who don't play as a team but for personal glory.

And in case you missed it the intent of this thread was foiled when I realized that Toymaker had not accomplished the stats he/she has in 1/10th the time it actually took. I would have deleted it but could not and so here we are. It has nothing to do with myself.

Most of the problems that are dug up and the banter comes from stuff that happned when I first arrived here. Most of this stuff is all moot. In reality Recon and I have moved on, I probably should have left it alone but made that post and stated this all again. Need more sleep and to post less.:(

[Recon]

My point...

To compare shaq to a reg is just rediculous. Yes he has skillz, but in no way is concerned about teamplay. The only time he covers anyone, if its his buddy KOBE (aka MotoGP), or you have speed and he is waiting for you to die.

that is all...

[Aggression]

*struggles to keep his mouth shut*

[Zinia]

Originally posted by Recon
his buddy KOBE (aka MotoGP),

That was funny yesterday when shaq stated Moto was not Kobe as he was off playing some other game.

Whatever, dude.

[|SAD|_Kaotik]

I thought Moto reminded me of someone else.

[|PesT|Lexivore]

Here you go Aggression. Your stats for all of us to admire and bow down to. :)

[Scourgem]

Well, with all this bleh about stats I decided to take a look at that statistics page... and I've come to a conclusion:

I will never whine about my ping again. Ever. Period.

These are from a guy called ibcbc ... or something.

Oh, and I apologize for the semi-hijack. :D

[Aggression]

Hmm...don't know what your point is? I'll just assume it's in no way sarcastic to aviod flames

However, stats don't mean a damn thing to me...if they did:

#1...I would've played on Server 1 more where stats were recorded. I spend 99% of my time on 3 and 4...um no stats.

#2...if I cared I would have never changed my name and lost 1600 caps and 3000+ returns....um don't care.


The people whose opinion matters to me do not have to look at stats to know my game.

In fact I'd like to see no stats at all...even more I personally wouldn't care if there was no scoring (frags, efc kills, etc) at all. The only one that matters is caps...red vs blue.

[CJHobbes]

When I initially came here, I thought the stats page was really neat. I like looking at it, but the only thing going through my mind during a CTF match is: "Need to help team cap flag." or "Need to help team defend flag."

I can tell from experience that Aggression is in no way a stat-ho. I'd rather have him on my team than a lot of other skill players I know of who only play for themselves. I hate seeing Aggression on the other team....but it is fun trying to kill him after he's decimated my a few times :evil: .

Anyhow, I'll let this thread go on also....*joins Freakish in the lobby, handing him a beer* So, how about them Bears?

[HortonsWho]

Speaking of stats... and to derail this thread... hadn't looked in a while... OMG... I'm becoming a shock ho!

[schadeness]

Why do these stats look like they've been reset?

[RoLsHaMbYa]

hMMM just went to go check the stats, and they were there one sec and now they is gone. The ping thing can not be right, it said my ave was 27 :)

[RoLsHaMbYa]

Nevermind they are back, I guess I dont go there enought to figure out how to look at the damn thing

[HortonsWho]

Originally posted by schadeness
Why do these stats look like they've been reset?

I hadn't played on S1 in forever so they went away when the last reset was done... I've only been playing on #1 again since Christmas.


Mmmmmmmm #3...

[Scourgem]

More like a...

[HortonsWho]

;) I was proud of the stretch when my skull kills sat at 17%! :evil:

Proud practitioner of the FCSM.

[Blackshado]

I used to play for stats when I came here, thinking that would be how to earn respect. Little did I know that the regs' respect was earned through teamwork and good attitude.

As for evaluating skill or worth as a player, I place all real team players on equal footing. I'd just as soon have Sobe or Radio on my team as Freakish or Agg. Not putting anyone down, just saying that a player who puts the team first, as each person I just mentioned does to the max, they're all perfect 10s in my eyes. :)

And its not just about fun either, I genuinely think that a team of players who aren't considered "big guns" may not win in frag totals, but have just as good a chance at winning the game. That's the beauty of S3 baby! :rockon:

[SoBeiT]

Originally posted by Blackshado
I I'd just as soon have Sobe or Radio on my team as Freakish or Agg.

Look Radio..You & I are in the same grouping as THEM two...w00ts!

Pretty elite :rockon: Thanks Blackshado :)

[CJHobbes]

Hey now, there's nuttin' wrong with a skull-ho ;).

Which is why, if I ever see Horton in game, I quickly search out the redemption relic...I found a use for it!! :eek:

Oh, and I second what Blackshado said....

[radio667]

Originally posted by SoBeiT
Look Radio..You & I are in the same grouping as THEM two...w00ts!

YAY..... Sobe, we're movin on up , and not just to the East side......baby :D Thank you Blackshado ( you made my day ) !!

[|PesT|Lexivore]

Well I thought it was time to honor another of our elite memebrs here. Lets bow down to the mighty stats of our favorite nali war cow, and shock-ho Freakish.

[Fnix.USA]

Weird how Hortons calls me a n00b, then goes and has More Deaths than KILLS

[|SAD|_Kaotik]

That doesn't make one a noob. Horton has been around for a very long time!!!

[Zinia]

Originally posted by Fnix.USA
Weird how Hortons calls me a n00b,....


n00b

[eX-one]

Originally posted by Fnix.USA
Weird how Hortons calls me a n00b, then goes and has More Deaths than KILLS

I normally don't jump into these things, but this is ridiculous, n00b.

[Sinnical]

Hehe this is great. now that im aliasing on server 4 (my secret identity will never be revealed :evil: ) i know who and what everyone is talking about.

I always go for frag count over the whole course of the game, as im insecure, and feel the need to impress myself with frags :D

But whenever i see my teams FC i'm always happy to escort him/her back to the base, hopefully killing some chasers off the whole time :)

[|PesT|Lexivore]

Originally posted by Fnix.USA
Weird how Hortons calls me a n00b, then goes and has More Deaths than KILLS

Please. Horton has been playing with some of the elite around here while picking up thise stats. Staying alive with them is like sticking your head in a hornets nest and trying not to get stung. It is only a mater of time and the mroe you try to avoid it, the more is seems to happen.

With players like Toymaster around your life expectancy is pretty short. With guys like Aggression in your face, life doesn't last very long, and with sucidal cows like Freakish, life suddenly flashes before your eyes as he skull bombs you. And there are somany more to mention that make staying alive so difficult.

But it isn't that you / or he dies, it is how you die and what you did for your team before it happened.

At one point in time as widowmaker my suicides out numbered my frags. Now that is a noob. LOL

*Did I really just say that:loopy:

[Recon]

Originally posted by Fnix.USA
Weird how Hortons calls me a n00b,

lamer n00b

[SK TastesLike KFC]

i don't have any stats.


honest.


I looked.


not one.



i am a n00bs n00b.


king of all n00bs.


n00b extrordinaire.





bow down.





SKTLKFC:moon:

[Blackshado]

From what I remember from my stats page (can't access it from work, stupid web filter), I have almost 2000 more deaths than kills.

And yes, I am a n00b.


So here is a n00b, me, challenging you to find a player that's much more valuable to his team than Hort.

Actually, screw all this diplomatic stuff. Next time I see you in-game, I'll switch to the team opposite you and spend an entire map (or evening, depending on how well you can hide) hunting you. But don't worry, cuz I have more deaths than kills and am entirely harmless. :evil:

Yes, that's the ticket...

[Blackshado]

That was so good, I had to post it twce.

But on second thought . . . :hammer:

[|PesT|Lexivore]

Yeah look at those hours played. My goodness what a noob.:rolleyes:
Yup anyone with ONLY 15K kills is mostly harmless. Really.
You can play on my team any time :)
I'll accept you, noobish as you are;)

[Ghost-Stalker]

How the hell did i get more x-loc then most of my weapons?

and whats with more pistol kills then minigun?

[Salyavin]

Originally posted by Ghost-Stalker
How the hell did i get more x-loc then most of my weapons?

and whats with more pistol kills then minigun? I think if you had the skull and respawn before it explodes, the skull kills will count as enforcer because that's the weapon you're holding. The xloc kills may be similar; you're switching to xloc when the skull goes off (or if you've found a way to respawn holding the xloc -- please let me know).

I've had skull Monster kills start me off with a killing spree after the respawn.

Cheers,
Salyavin

[|PesT|Lexivore]

Okay. Now we've seen some great stats here and now for a little something different. So no bowing down, but try not to fall off your chair.

Someone mentioned Horton's frags to deaths ratio. Well check out these numbers. Yeah baby. Hard core suckage.

Mmm wait a tick this is me. Doh!

[Scourgem]

Look, Widowmaker... it doesn't matter. They're just numbers. It's not like a higher K/D ratio makes you a better CTF player - campers / snipers frequently have lots of kills and few deaths, for instance... as do those who play against bots when the servers are empty.

[|PesT|Lexivore]

I'm not worried about the numbers.

Just pointing out that even the worst (and those are pretty bad) can still be useful once in a while.

That night we had that blatant bot user I made the difference at the very end for my team. Fragged two opposing players and returned our flag so our FC could score. Those however were my only points in that game. The thirty or so deaths I suffered, over shadowed that moment of usefullness.

I was good bait though. Free frags over here. :p

And not all of the new stats are against bots. I've been playing some real players. Radio667 and War_Master among others. No free points there. Been specing some players and picking up some unorthedox stuff.

[Fnix.USA]

Originally posted by |PesT|Lexivore
Please. Horton has been playing with some of the elite around here while picking up thise stats. Staying alive with them is like sticking your head in a hornets nest and trying not to get stung. It is only a mater of time and the mroe you try to avoid it, the more is seems to happen.

With players like Toymaster around your life expectancy is pretty short. With guys like Aggression in your face, life doesn't last very long, and with sucidal cows like Freakish, life suddenly flashes before your eyes as he skull bombs you. And there are somany more to mention that make staying alive so difficult.

But it isn't that you / or he dies, it is how you die and what you did for your team before it happened.

At one point in time as widowmaker my suicides out numbered my frags. Now that is a noob. LOL

*Did I really just say that:loopy:


I can stay alive just fine. :dunno