Over Ownage

[widowmaker]

Well now Ihave played enough to know the difference between a stands Regs game and one that does not follow the stand flow of play (IE someone may be cheating).

I've played with some of you and with the exception of Idle Idol you aren't too far above me in skill. So when we play it is fun and the games are relatively close.
Now I just finished playing the seond of two bad expereinces where things just don't conform to what seemed to be normal game play. The first most concerning thing is the respawn protection seemed to be off, the opposing team stood in our base and wasted us at will as we spawned. Okay so maybe for some reason respawn protection was turned off.
Next prblem. Every hit no matter what weapon seems to be fatal. A sinlge long range hit fro the minigun should not kill a player at 100 health.
How many redeemers are there? Seemed that the opposing team had an endless supply of them.

Now Playing on server #1 I have witnessed some serious ownage. Example this afternoon Idle Idol owned this one map, he was simply unstoppable. Cheating or skillz. Sorry but when he killed me he was facing me, his attacks seemed normal and did normal damage. Not to mention I would find it hard to believe he would cheat anyways.

This last game I found myself being killed by players who where not even aiming at me. Back to me, aiming stright up, aiming directly at the floor, just not in my general direction. One fellow was climbing a ladder with his back to me and my team and still managed to kill three of us on his way up, despite facing the wall the entire time.

It may simply be a computer problem in that not everything that is happening is being drawn. I have no way of being sure. My ping changes so badly that I cannot be sure these freeky occurences don't stem from that. All I know is that playing Regs that I know (well forum members I am familiar with) the game play is very different from what happened in these other two games. For the record both bad games were on Server#4.

I am not accusing anyone of cheating, or I would post names and screen shots of the incidents. I am simply begining to understand how some people can become deeply frustrated. When during the game things seem so badly stacked against their team that one or more opposing players seem to be cheating in one form or another.

My gripe is simply some players scoring 10x what the next best player does. I've been blasted out of maps so many times that capping twice I still have a score lower than ten. When the opposing team dominates so much I call it Over Ownage. They are simply too good to be believed as honest players.

[AriTheDog]

IMO there isn't too much funny business going on on the UP servers.

And c'mon, Idle's not the only really good player out there. I've been spanked by a lot of other people. ;)

[FBMachine]

Originally posted by widowmaker
The first most concerning thing is the respawn protection seemed to be off, the opposing team stood in our base and wasted us at will as we spawned. Okay so maybe for some reason respawn protection was turned off.
Next prblem. Every hit no matter what weapon seems to be fatal. A sinlge long range hit fro the minigun should not kill a player at 100 health.
How many redeemers are there? Seemed that the opposing team had an endless supply of them.

The spawn protection wears off if you fire a weapon ( that includes the xloc ) or if you pick up an item ( weapon, powerup, whatever ). It can seem like you die instantly from the minigun thanks to lag, it happens all the time. It doesn't help when the person with the minigun has a low ping. Some people whore the powerups and redeemers, so it just seems like they have an endless supply, it's just because they're getting it everytime it respawns.

Originally posted by widowmaker

This last game I found myself being killed by players who where not even aiming at me. Back to me, aiming stright up, aiming directly at the floor, just not in my general direction. One fellow was climbing a ladder with his back to me and my team and still managed to kill three of us on his way up, despite facing the wall the entire time.

My gripe is simply some players scoring 10x what the next best player does. I've been blasted out of maps so many times that capping twice I still have a score lower than ten. When the opposing team dominates so much I call it Over Ownage. They are simply too good to be believed as honest players.
Was it a spam map? On spam maps, with a good dose of lag, you get killed often with invisible rockets, players not even facing you, etc. Also happens on maps that are just poorly zoned by the map maker. And yes, there are plenty of good players here that dominate when they play.

Originally posted by widowmaker
I've played with some of you and with the exception of Idle Idol you aren't too far above me in skill. So when we play it is fun and the games are relatively close.
Don't worry, I'm sure I could kick your ass, along with a lot of regs you probably just haven't played yet ( you're going to cry when you play DeadLamb ). ;)
Dan

[SoBeiT]

If you have a Player name, Map, Server # and Time (your time zone included) PM it to the Admins please.

They are looking into any complaints about botting.

No point in letting the person know they are being looked at :evil:

[Airlea]

Idle doesn't cheat. He just rocks at the game.

The games with the regs are harder. There's no doubt about that. Most of the players on s3 are the hardcore players (meaning good players) and when I play with them I tend to get miffed at the game simply because I can't do a damn thing to help out the team. I couldn't hit the side of a bus!


There are those that bot on s1 and s4. However, people like Idle don't. Sometimes there are those who are natural at playing games. *shrug*

If you suspect someone of cheating, do what Sobeit suggested; even if you think it's a reg. Botters are being taken down with extreme force in order to provide better play and loads of fun around the servers.

~Airlea~ Lock and load people!!

[Nitestalker]

I was playing with and against you Widowmaker, unless this happend before I came, I remember Ancient and Fallout as two of the maps, Ancient is a spam map that can get a lot of slow down and lag, and the time that I was playing I don't think any one was cheating. It happens sometimes you get a good ping and you can do pretty good and then the next map you can end up sucking bad, and besides skill the type of system you are using and your connection makes a big difference.

Don't let bad games get you down keep playing and get to know the maps.
:rockon:

[widowmaker]

Sorry. I never meant by any stretch of the imagination to imply Idol was cheating. It was clear to me he was not, and still he owned. I respect that. Idol simply stick out in that one map as being above an beyond anyone else playing at the time.

My problem was players who don't show the skill that their scores reflect.

As for it being a spam map there seem to be so many but even in a spam map on Server #1 the game play and still the scores reflected what was gonig on. When I play with the regs on server #1 I score okay. Low compared to some of you but enough that my learner status can accept it. Against others I have found I am unable to accomplish anything. very few frags (maybe 4 to their 250) no caps. I die too quickly to ever reach my base. Agsint you guys and gals, I manage to cap once in a while or atleast make it close enough that my teammates can finish the job. You seem to be mortal and when I shoot you you bleed and I manage a few frags here and there.

My point is this. So many things conbined during the course of game play can make the situation seem what it is not. If indeed these players were any good then combined with some of the potential problems I have what happened could have done so legally. It just doesn't feel like it. I believe this leads to many of the cheating accusations around here, and other places. A player may not have been cheating but based on my perception of the game in which he/she was able to do things that defy the rules of the game.

I know about the pick up and shooting thing when it comes to the spawn protection. I was getting killed before I even finished spawning. Then again I was also getting moves that I had done prior to being killed, after I spawned.

Now I said I am not accusing anyone of cheating. Just trying to shed some light on the things that happen that may lead some players to believe that there is cheating going on.


As for lag it is a funny thing. I get ahead of the game and when it resequences I get dragged back in time (or so it would seem). It works like this. I run down a hall and turn the corner. All of a sudden I find myself running down the same hall and turning the corner again. Or as I run I move forward and then jump back and have to cover the same ground a second time. It gives me jerky screen that makes play hard and capping or fragging anyone really hard. Now you see them, now you don't.

Fact is my connection is supposed to be pretty good. I have cable and have tested it out at 1.12 MB per second. Maybe I am just too far from the servers.

Anyways yet another long widowmaker post.

Nightstalker>>> I am trying to point possible reasons for some dishearted players accusing other of cheating. When in fat these players may have been playing a perfectly legal game. As for the maps I only know a few of them by site, the names will stick with me eventually. I don't give up that easy. I just get better. Maybe need a new computer. I am running a Athlon 700 on a cable connection (500 kbs). It was enough when UT first came out but lacking by todays standards.

[Nitestalker]

Yeah I am with Shaw, and the thing about cable it can be pretty good sometimes, but there are big variations, it is not as constant as DSL, some games I can have pings in the 80's and 90's, mostly 130 or so then it can jump to over 300, and your whole timming is thrown off.

btw I am in Edmonton, farther than you, distance doesn't help, but also it depends on which way the connection is going through.
and a faster computer would def help.
and its Nite.

[widowmaker]

Sorry. You know I typed that to begin with and thought. No that can;t be right and changed it.

Anyways. I have a screen shot of my pigh at over 9000. Not very steady that os for sure. Just finished a game on server#1 with mostly reg players I recognize. Complete contrast to the otehr game from earlier. I still get fragged half to death, okay all the way, but the scores seem consistant with the players. As usual I am some where in the middle or towards the bottom.

Anyways it is now 3 AM and I am off to bed. This playing real live people can be a little too much fun. Should have turned in hours ago. LOL

[Idle Idol]

hah, shows how much you farkers know. I bot my arse off!

--Idle, cheater extraordinaire

[outdoor]

Originally posted by Airlea


The games with the regs are harder. There's no doubt about that. Most of the players on s3 are the hardcore players (meaning good players)

hey!!:tsk: how bout me?








wish i have my own credit card......:o

[ShirleyFT]

Even if you have a cable connection that seems fast you can be getting packet loss at any of the jumps. I've been getting up to 100% packet loss at a local router and I've been getting kicked from the game, losing connection. I've been complaining to the ISP and they are trying to fix it (I'm not going to pay them this month for the shyte connection). You should check your connection. This may account for the inconsistent lag (packet loss can spike).

As far as judging skill, what is your criterion if you're not going by somebody having a higher score and owning you?

If most of your team aren't very good they won't protect you and you'll be owned. Too many times peeps think they're doing great and never give credit to the teammates covering their a$$es, but they certainly notice when they're not covered.

[Recon]

Everything you mentioned is understood.

Heres a basic breakdown of how I explain the strange shiet that happens.

94% connection issues, i.e. lag

4% map issues, ie running down the same hallway twice

2.9% my own stupidity,i.e. add up these numbers

.1% cheating

You mentioned in another post "what do ruins do". Relics anyway. The strength relic gives ya lotsa killing power. That may explain your quick deaths.

The is a common issue reffered to as "nerf ammo". Where it seems like your ammo is just not effective at all. Equally, there are times when peeps die real easy.

As of late, my mouse sensitvity changes midgame. What use to be a full 360 turn is now 90. But thats on my end, not server or conx issue.

Scores. Are you aware of the point system? "I capped twice and my score was less than 10" Ya get 10 points per cap.

This system is also flawed. I have killed people no where near my flag carrier, much less we didnt have their flag, and still got 5 points for "defending my fc".

Assume lag first, ping second, packet loss third, ignorance 5th....then cheaters.

BTW, the ONLY time you hear a reg use the word "cheater" ingame, is when they are joking. There are alot of whiners who use that word constantly. Ignore them.

[Aggression]

Recon cheats! F'n RocketBot....

Scores. Are you aware of the point system? "I capped twice and my score was less than 10" Ya get 10 points per cap.

Just for the sake of argument, you could cap two and only get two points.

[Zinia]

Originally posted by widowmaker
I've played with some of you and with the exception of Idle Idol you aren't too far above me in skill.

That hurts

[widowmaker]

Yup that is one of the matches. I should have been able to score enough frags launching the damned Redeemer into your base than that. That is the match were I was diing up in the spawn area. There are no pickups until you jump down from there.

The map after that was equally bad. I would score a direct hit with the flak shell and you guys didn't even flintch. Ofcourse hamperred by lag and purhaps losing packets in reallity the object I was shooting wasn't you becuase you had moved on.

Actually playing on server #1 last night I know it was a CPU problem becuase I was chasing MadMikey and he was shooting at me through his back. Same thing as the ladder thing in the map from the map in the pic above. Sure you may be facing me on your machine but over here I am not seeing it.

Also funny is that I am getting stuff like half a second after it happened. Shots are going to where I was andI am taking damage from them. Makes trying to side dodge pointless as by the time I see a shot coming at me it has already hit me. Side dodging give a funky jrky screen thing where I dodge and then get dragged by the computer back to the location where I apparently died half a second ago.

The halls thing is the same. It isn;t a mater of similar halls it works like this. I run down the hall and turn the corner. No problem we do that all of the time. Now my screen suddenly jerks, kind of looks like the screen when you are coming out of the sniper zoom. And I find myself back at the last place the server recalls me being. Which really explains a lot. My opponents seem to have superhuman health becuase they are not where my machine shows them as being. I am sure I must look like an idiot blasting the crap out of walls. Likewise I probably die to easy because I simply do not see the shots, maybe only the last one.

If you want to see something even scarier than my score in that screenabove I should post a screen of my ping from a different game. I actually got dropped from the server yesterday. Happened on Twisting Jungle. I was running through the map expecting to die at any moment and reach the opposing flag without running into a single opponent. Likewise things had all gone quiet. I went back and my team was all standing around like a bunch of statues. Are we not supposed to get some kind of message letting us know we have dissconnected?

Last that score above is only one of the bad ones. There was another game with some clan fellow (guessing based on how his name was put together).

Recon>>> I am aware of the scoring system. Here is why I have such a low score even having capped twice. When I repsawn I am immune to damage, but not to the kinetic force of an impact. So running around I can still be knocked off the map. Which counts as a suicide. I think in the match I was talking about I fell off a couple times and was knocked off eight or nine times. So my score despite starting at twenty afterthe caps dropped below ten as a result of the repeated sucides. This goes back to the DeJeVu effect. I run along the side of the ledge and then side step to go up the ramp (can't be too specific I am not sure of the maps name) anyways. I think I am running up the ramp when I suddenly jump back to the edge of the ledge and run off like a lemming. Like I made a coonet about in another thread. I have a feeling I will set a new record for sucides at the rate I am going.

Here is another reall pain in the butt. I run in and grab the enemy flag and start for home. A few seconds later I find I don't have the flag. I still have my weapons and less then 100 health so I know I didn't die. I rarely touch the relics (sorry I keep callig them runes). I hate redmption. It gets me killed more often than not. I die in the middle of a shoot out and by the time I get my finger off the trigger it is too late for the respawn protection (which brings to mind the concept of my respawn deaths. I wonder if lag prevents me from even realizing I have taken a shot thus negating my respwn protection. Hmm) and then I get fragged again since most of the time I get respawned right in front of the same guy/gal who just fragged me. Hey it is a two for one fragfest. LOL

I am beginning to think my machine and wonky connection are hamping me more than I could have anticipated. Some games run good (On TwistingJungle I managed a score of 50 and I suck on that map). Likewise on the opposite end you see above how I end up sometimes.

AND Who the HE!! is that EV clone. who dares steal my old Tribes alias. /jk Take it. No one around even knows who EV was.

A quick questin to other players who have played with me. Since things on my end get out of sync with the server we end up playing two different games. On your end do I stand around or shoot walls a lot?

As for the screen shot above my score is that low due to a god number of unassited suicides. My scores would all look a little better if I could simply stop killing myself. At this rate I'll have to change my name to SuicideKing. Just ignore me, I am my own worst enemy. Hehe.

Recon>>> One more question for you. Do we get any credit for running the flag a good percentage of the way back to the base. If we don't cap but as a result our team does?

Just asking because I've had a couple of those gettng killed on the door step and while I don't cap my team does.

Oh wait another question. If I pickup the flag and run halfway then die but get back to the flag in time to finish my run do I get credit forthe entire run or only the last half?

I now have a new style. I don't worry about death I know it is coming. I simply pickup the relic of vengence and gte nice and close to a group of enemies. Go ahead kill me. Hehe.

Your favorite noob target -widowmaker

[Turkish]

Just useless spam...

I cheat.

I don't play UT anymore but I still cheat :P

If you cheat, win and don't get caught. Why stop?






















j/k

[widowmaker]

RichardZinia

Now about the score not reflecting your ability as a player and how I define skills.

At no point in time (on my end) did you appear toever use the xloc or attempt to avoid being shot. You walked in picked up the flag and walked out. No jumping, no side dodging, no xloc'ing.

Now on the opposite end of that Idol xloc'ed in, side dodged to keep anyone from getting a god clean shot at him, and then used slime to cover his exit and slow down our pursuit. When he took a hit frommy rocket launcher he flew several feet. Since it wasn;t a clean hit it wasn't a kill but still the model showed signs of being hit hard.

Opposite end. You were coming down the ramp from our flag base and I spammed you in the face with a four rocket blast. I died (oh yet another suicide) you didn't even flinch but kept on trucking. Now on a low gravity map you should have been sent halfway to timbuck two. I understand the reallity of the situtaion. I was not in sync with the server and you had probably already passed me by before I even launched the rockets.

Liekwise the one hit kills may not be what they seem. I see a single tracer don't even here the minigun shooting and simply keel over and die. In reallity who ever was shoting at me may have spammed me good with the minigun. Yet on my end I don't see that.

Anyways. (I say that a lot don't I LOL) On my end (probably due to bad connection and being out of synch in our games) I didn't see you or anyone on your team do anything remotely skill related. Hell even players on my team seemed to be standing around (looking at the score maybe they were. LOL). When I played Idol I saw everything he did and how he earned each cap he got. So in comparrison your lack of movement or use of weapons/ items that skiled players use (the regs go crazy with the xloc movin betwen bases). Hence whe the score comes up I wonder how a player who plays like someone playing for the first time manages to score so high.

Now keep in mind this is how things look on my end of things. If I was not aware that I was out of sync and experiencing lags problems I could assume that you were not playing fairly. Which is pretty much my original point. Players go into a game score well and then a game later on and find they get overly owned (results of our game). They then feel some how cheated and assume that the opposing team was in some way cheating. I have seen a few threads accusing people of using bots or cheating in other ways (note to community bots are not the only form of CPU assited cheat).

To make sure this is VERY clear. I am not accusing you or anyone on your team of cheating. I am simply trying (in very many words) to point out that games that end up like that one can lead the weak minded to believe someone is cheating.

I hope to put up a better fight next time. In all reallity I should have done much better on that map. It is one of the few that I like and know well enough to contribute to my team in a significant manner.

Again sorry about the really long posts. I just want to be crystal clear that I am NOT accusing anyone of cheating. Also sorry for the double post.

[Nitestalker]

Heh heh, I was Emerald Viper, I saw that you were in the game and decided to use it as a j/k, when Dick is playing at work he can be pretty good, and some of the times when he did grab the flag I was behind him firing rockets or the mini at your team chased him, no not at the spawn sites, Idle is more creative than a lot of other players, but there are others that are good don't play the same way, I am sure Recon could describe everyone's play style to you, he really likes to watch.

[AriTheDog]

OMG YOU GOT A SCREEN ON GEORGE SAYING GG??? :eek:

Oh, wait... He was on the winning team.

[Doofus]

Sounds like you are the victim of server and connection lag for the most part. I've experienced the same to a lesser degree. I also suspect that when I play with players double my ping or higher (and some of them in the same room), they get more accurate information on my whereabouts than they do of mine.

Actually, maybe someone here can answer this: what is the MAXMUM ACCURATE FPS one can expect at the UP servers, given packet size, bandwidth, etc? What I mean is, if there is no limitation on my end, and no packet loss, what is the maximum FPS I can generate from the information being given from the server?

The reason I ask, is perhaps I should actually reduce my FPS setting (by increasing detail, res, etc) to more closely match the server. That way, my screen won't be drawing information on player position than it is really just guessing at. With my Voodoo 5 and 2GHz box, I am getting far more FPS than the server can generate.

[widowmaker]

Originally posted by Nitestalker
Heh heh, I was Emerald Viper, I saw that you were in the game and decided to use it as a j/k

Why you dirty low down. Well since I spelled your name wrong I guess all is even. It's okay. Really the name has no meaning here anyways. Some how I figured it was someone who was trying to bug me.

Once I have enough time logged to have my stats displayed I am curious to see just how many suicides I have managed to accumulate so far. I have this bad feeling I am averaging more than ten per match. LOL

[DeadLamb]

yeah some times I can tell your lagging up some on the server the other night widow being I'd tag your 1,2,3 with the shock and get a kill and really you never even reacted to the first shot.. sure sign of lag.. heck most of the stuff your post about, the hallway hang up not seeing the shots and so on all sound like lag..

[Idle Idol]

Originally posted by AriTheDog
OMG YOU GOT A SCREEN ON GEORGE SAYING GG??? :eek:

Oh, wait... He was on the winning team.

not that he did anything to help....

consequently ari....have you been practicing? i didn't remember you being good...maybe i'm confusing you with someone else.

for some reason i was thinking you were a so-so player, so i saw you and came over to screw around and then you promptly handed my a$$, and i was like "oooook"

--Idle, duped by his own ignorance

[AriTheDog]

lol. :)

I've been playing under the nick [AFK}Pephemie (My girlfriend's UT nick, which now when you see Pephemie, it's her playing.) because I play at her house. I recently downloaded Xusers for UT, which allows multiple .Inis, so now I play under AriTheDog again.

Anywho, I did used to be pretty mediocre, if slightly above average, and chase you (Somone who wouldn't always switch to mini if I lasted longer than usual. ;))and Yen and others around and stuff for fun, and now I'm a little better...

It's funny you mention this though, after yesterday when you and others trashed me so bad after I played on no sleep for two days. :D

[Infide]

Zinia is pretty damn good Widow. Just because you didn't notice all of his manurisms I wouldn't discount spectating him to learn a few things. Spec anyone who plays on server 3, we rule.

[Zinia]

Originally posted by Nitestalker
when Dick is playing at work he can be pretty good,
Thanks

As RichardZinia I'm always on dial-up .

[SoBeiT]

Yes but...your on :)

[widowmaker]

Originally posted by Infide
Zinia is pretty damn good Widow. Just because you didn't notice all of his manurisms I wouldn't discount spectating him to learn a few things.

In a word no. Thanks but spectating would be a complete waste of my gaming time. Most of my problems in game are not skill related but lag issues. It is hard to kill someone if you are shooting where they were half a second ago. Bullets are usless which takes away my choice weapons. I now rely on weapons I dislike just for splash damage.

Spec anyone who plays on server 3, we rule.
Yeah server three. populated less often than server #4. Not to mention it is a members only server and low lives like me cannot get on there.

I could spec but I would enjoy playing the game much more. I'm not here to be the best. And I'm not worried about it. I simply contribute whatever I am capable of and don't worry about the out come. Some times I do well some times I don't. Some games I make an impact others I am easily forgotten.

Actually funny thing happened today while playing. I was expereincing some strange things. I could not pick up the enemy flag in their base but I could anywhere else. Also when I capped I got two messages. First that I had capped and second that one of my teammates had capped. As it would turn out the lag had not caught up yet and my machine had me capping but when the lag caught up I had died just short of capping. Hehe.

Just a note so many of the maps have wide open areas and long straight hallways. It just doesn't bode well for my life span. LOL

I have to learn to type less and say more but I have so much to say. Guess I'm just having fun.

[HailtheGoat]

I think I must chime in here for a second.

Zinia is one of the best teamplayers around. He might not be the best deathmatcher but I'll take him on my team anytime. He knows how to play CTF and he communicates great. Many people still don't understand CTF is a team game and communication is a must!

I've never played with you so I don't know about your teamplay, but if you ever need help with it, Zinia is a great guy to learn from.
Me and Zinia have taken out great killers before because we communicate well, we have each other's back and know what positions need to be filled.

So maybe he doesn't have DeadLamb accuracy but he has the temwork down and for that he is a great player.

Let's not complain about lag, I play with a usual 300+ ping and it never stops me from having a good time. I can usually hold my own, even against some sub 100 pingers. You should try playing with the lag I do and see how far you can get before you get too fed up and leave from getting blown to bits with nothing and no one around.

Oh well I'm just starting to ramble.

[widowmaker]

I'm not really complaining about lag, It has just forced me to change my style of play. Where I would normally grab the minigun or sniper rifle or double enforcers and go hunting I am now forced to use splash damage weapons like the flak, rockets or secondary fire from the razorjack.

You have not played with me but you have against me. I just recall getting killed by you once in a map.

As for my team skills and this other fellow. I never questioned his skills, only stated on my end the model representing him did not do anything to indicate he was doing anything special. No dodging, no jumping, no xloc'ing.

As for my skills lag prevents me from being very accurate with direct fire weapons. I know and understand the team concepts and work in ways that some of you are probably unfamiliar with. Most probably look at my score and wonder how I can say I did anything for my team. I'll let you in on a few of my tactics that I use game in and game out.

-I put a bullet into pretty much every opponet I pass. Not enough to kill but enough to make them look for health or turn to come after me. This puts their arrival out of sync with their teammates which means less work for my teams defenders.

-Knowing I am just too tempting a target (easy frag) I will pick up the relic of vengence and walk into the base shortly before my team arrives. The opposing team flcoks to me and gets fragged for killing me.

-I will walk behind the flag carrier and take the hits until I die. That way the flag carrier can live a little longer. No points for this.

-Knowing that I cannot make it all te way back to my flag I will go a dangerous route that is cartain death to me and all who fallow me, but gets the enemy flag closer to my base and team. For this I get credited with a suicide. It helps my team cap but lowers my personal score. No good deed goes unpunished I guess.

-I hold on to the Redeemer until I use it to clear on the opposing base, after we have the flag. This way my flag carrier gets a boost (since team damage is turned off) and our opponents get blasted into oblivion.

-I use slime to slow down opponents chasing my flag carrier by pasting narrows halls with it.

-When the opportunity presents it self I will blast teamates from behind with rockets to boost them over large obsticles or cover large distances faster. So far some of you don;t understand thsi was intentional and intended to give you a half second or so advantage in distance. "Hey same team!" LOL

-I will keep an eye on what my teammates are doing. If we have the flag and ours is missing I will go to get the flag back or if the rest of the team abandons the flag carrier I will stay and guard the flag carier. Also if my team has nothing resembling defence I will go back and play a little D for a bit. I wouldn't want to be labelled a camper so I move on after a kill or two.

-If I see an opposing member sniping I will do what I can to get that sniper before they can become an obsticle for the rest of my team.

-I will abuse my respawn protection and cause opponents to waste tons of ammo on me. Such a waste for a single frag. LOL

There are some thing sI don't do much. I rarely use the xloc since for reasons I do not know I can run faster than I can throw mine. It does come in handy for reaching places but that is the only use I have for it. And telefragging snipers. Hehe.

I don't use the side dodge much. I find that shots going to my previous location are hitting me anyways. I attribute that to lag. So I just keep on running and take the hit. In some aspects one could argue that no matter what I do since I am behind the game I have already taken the hit, what I do after that won't change the fact that I have been shot.

I won't camp. When trying to gain a high frag count it would be tempting to do so. But I'm not worried about my score so aside from a few seconds of D I won't hang around an area too much.

I will not taunt. I find it both childish and disrespectful. I don't want to be a poor loser nor do I want to be recognized as a player who needs to gloat over a win. Some times when you have put everything into a match and still lose the feeling of defeat is bad enough, no one needs someone spamming the "You Suck!" after the end of the match. Even after kills it is unnessesary. Players who stop to taunt someone who they just fragged deserve to be sniped during their victory dance. I respect me opponents and such won't taunt them.

Just a few of the things that float around in my mind as I play. Once I played a great deal of Tribes. UT is so limited in comparison when it comes to team strategy that it isn't even funny. My plan is to spread out the opponents arrival times. so my defending teammates have less to deal with at one given time. I protect my flag carrier as best I can. And my actions are dictated by the flow of the game and the status of my teammates. Unlike Tribes in UT there is no chain of command, so giving orders is pointless if people don't already respect your judgement. Hence right now I don't bother telling my teammates what to do even if they are scattered and directionless. One day when I have gained the confidence of enough players I may use commands to help direct my teammates. Other stuff like telling them where the flag carrier is, is pretty much pointless. They have one goal, to get to their flag / base. They don't generally hide anywhere else. I do which is why I am so hard to kill if you don't see me leave with the flag. Where's Waldo?

I do have one pet peeve and it stems from camping. I think I'll call it flag camping. On many many many occassions I have gone to my flag area to find three or more oppoents waiting for my flag to reappear, same thing in the opposing flag area three or four teammates waiting for the flag to respawn. Now defense if it must be called camping is a bad thing then what is this? I would like to see two of my teammates in sight of the flag at all times. They would be responsible for the initial pursuit if the flag is taken. But more often than not the flag is taken and the only fight happens when you reach your own base where the opposing team is waiting for your flag to be returned. For me it adds up to a few easy frags with the eightball. Then all I have to do is wait for the next set of opponents to come and camp out at my flag. It bugs me because they know aswell as I do that the flag isn't there. In the grand sceme of things they don't seem to realize that while they are all there half my team is hunting their flag carrier. Way to be team players guys.

Now you have read about some of the things I do you can look when your online with me and see how I do what I can to help my team. As I learn the maps better I will probably be able to help more in the offense dept. but for now I pretty much fill the role of supporting my teammates. Cmoe the end of the game I can say I tried. If I did what I set out to do, my team should have put up a good fight at the very least.

Man another long post. I'm so sorry. I just can't help myself.

[Aggression]

:scratch: wtf?

[Zinia]

Thanks, Goat.
I love playing morning games with ya.


Widow's right though.

I sux0r @ dodging.

[FBMachine]

Originally posted by widowmaker
I know and understand the team concepts and work in ways that some of you are probably unfamiliar with. Most probably look at my score and wonder how I can say I did anything for my team. I'll let you in on a few of my tactics that I use game in and game out.

All the decent strategies you listed are pretty much common sense. :) As for dodging, jumping, and xloc'ing being a sign of a good player...... First off, excessive jumping is the sign of a frantic player. You should only jump to avoid splash damage, otherwise jumping excessively will make it easy for people to predict where you're going to be and nail you. Dodging is an easy way to get arthritis. ;) It can be good at confusing players though, but it should only be used as an addition to unpredictable movement, you can't move in a b-line and expect an occasional dodge to do you any good.
Dan

[outdoor]

*yawn*

widow you sure have long posts:D







oh and btw Zinia you r0x0rs! no doubt about it. even when you're in dial-up.:rockon: period.




see? short and clear.:hammer:

[widowmaker]

Yeah. I wish I could have found a way of say all that in a lot fewer words.

[AriTheDog]

Amazingly, Zinia really *never* does dodge.

Makes you look like a newbie, until you kill me that is. :)

You should really work on that though, you'd be a way faster and more dangerous player.

[widowmaker]

:rolleyes:
I'm sure he does dodge. If he is any good he would use a simple move like that to his advantage. Maybe not go crazy with it like some players but utilize it none te less.

I wassimpy pointing out that in the game where Iw as suffering some funky lag, things were not showsing on my end of things. He may have been dodging I was just not seeing it. Likewise being half a second or more behind the game (and not being etirely aware of it at the time) I was not seeing a lot of what was happening. Come the end of the match it was hard to understand how players I don't see doing anything special having high scores.

Reallity vs what I saw:
Since I was behind the match I would be seeing oppoents running across a open area without regard for the shots I was firing at them. Now it looks like I should be blasting them out of their boots but in fact I am shooting at a ghost. When they crossed that area I wasn't there shooting at them. Hence no need for side dodging or shooting back.
The fellow how posted the screen shot (I can't remember his name at the moment) was climbing the ladder. Now he is facing the wall and obviously had his back to me. Now since I see where he was (still not aware of my lag problem) I wonder how he can frag me and my teammates with his back to us. In reallity he had proabably already reached the top and fired the shots then.

One of these days we will pay again and barring lag problems on my end I will see his skill for what it is. Or I get to chase ghosts again and end with a very pathetic score. Those ghosts just won't die. LOL

[phalanx]

i dont dodge they never get past me combo

[AriTheDog]

Nope, Zinia really *really* doesn't dodge. Like ever.

No joking either.

[widowmaker]

I see. I thought I just wasn't see it on my end.

I don't want to give anyone a bad name. Especially if they don't deserve it.

[SoBeiT]

So!

He's a good UT team player...don't start picking him apart.

You play Your way, he'll play HIS way. End results are the same..die die die :evil:

[Zinia]

Thanks, Sobe. But I opened myself up when I posted against his thread.

The point was that there are alot of good players on these servers and if I do well against you, then there are probably another 5 or 600 others who will do much better.

Idle is just one of the best.

:rockon:

[AriTheDog]

Sobe, I don't know if that was directed toward me or not, but I didn't mean it in a bad way. I was just clarifying.

Zinia *is* a good player.

[SoBeiT]

Ari didn't mean to snap at you....just alot of dissecting lately.

widowmaker: until your lag issues are solved...not much point in what ifs :dunno

Be like me..whine, then leave the game when your lagging out :D

[widowmaker]

I know. I only had that problem on Server#4. Been playing on Server #1 without much lag. I only play #4 when I REALLY want to play and cannot get on server #1.
And I am still looking for server #2. It never seems to show up when I look for servers. It is active or what?

[SoBeiT]

216.127.94.78:7777 this is for s2.

[widowmaker]

Hehe. Just played the same map and had the same results only this time I was disconnected. I was running around with the flag didn't know I had it. My cpu didn;t show the flag as being taken and the yellow message wasn;t displayed. Imagine my surprise when I get killed and out pops the flag. LOL
A few seconds later I spawned and found myself disconnected from the server. I wish I paid better attention to what map that is. I need to avoid it.

Also a thought about lag and packet loss. It worked out to my advantage today. Some fellow launched the redeemer at me and I should have died but took no damage and did not feel the effects of the impact. he was obliterated though. Hehe.

Just a thought but Relics are not divded evenly are they?
I was playing the burgerwar map and found three of them beside the enemy base while my teams base had none.

[sohowcome]

Originally posted by Recon
Everything you mentioned is understood.

Heres a basic breakdown of how I explain the strange shiet that happens.

94% connection issues, i.e. lag

4% map issues, ie running down the same hallway twice

2.9% my own stupidity,i.e. add up these numbers

.1% cheating

You mentioned in another post "what do ruins do". Relics anyway. The strength relic gives ya lotsa killing power. That may explain your quick deaths.

The is a common issue reffered to as "nerf ammo". Where it seems like your ammo is just not effective at all. Equally, there are times when peeps die real easy.

As of late, my mouse sensitvity changes midgame. What use to be a full 360 turn is now 90. But thats on my end, not server or conx issue.

Scores. Are you aware of the point system? "I capped twice and my score was less than 10" Ya get 10 points per cap.

This system is also flawed. I have killed people no where near my flag carrier, much less we didnt have their flag, and still got 5 points for "defending my fc".

Assume lag first, ping second, packet loss third, ignorance 5th....then cheaters.

BTW, the ONLY time you hear a reg use the word "cheater" ingame, is when they are joking. There are alot of whiners who use that word constantly. Ignore them.

I totally Agree with the Lag Issue, seems most of the weird crap goes on when your ping is like 250 or higher, then I turn off Imesh and all is well............:dunno:

[Doofus]

Originally posted by sohowcome
I totally Agree with the Lag Issue, seems most of the weird crap goes on when your ping is like 250 or higher, then I turn off Imesh and all is well............:dunno:

Imesh?

[sohowcome]

Originally posted by Doofus
Imesh? Program for downloading files and stuff :)

[Infide]

Originally posted by widowmaker
In a word no. Thanks but spectating would be a complete waste of my gaming time. Most of my problems in game are not skill related but lag issues. It is hard to kill someone if you are shooting where they were half a second ago. Bullets are usless which takes away my choice weapons. I now rely on weapons I dislike just for splash damage.

Yeah server three. populated less often than server #4. Not to mention it is a members only server and low lives like me cannot get on there.


Spec people FROM server 3 not ON server 3. Here's a short list of people you should spec...
Idle Idol, Freakish, AjentHavoc, Aggression, Inkswitch, Deadlamb, Recon, FBmachine, Play, SIAB... and me too if no other reg is on :)
I watched you for awhile on some map Widow, you SURE could use some advice and some help. The best way to do that is to watch and learn. I guess you could be arrogant enough to believe that you have the entire game figured out and there's nothing you don't know but you'd be wrong. Watch the best players but just don't watch, LEARN. Then the next time you play try to put into practice what you saw.

I never saw you use your xloc. You'll never be any good without it. Set your xloc hotkey close to your movement hands. If you're not shooting at someone you should be xlocing somewhere. But that's only something you'd learn from watching the best players.
To each his own.

[Fnix.USA]

Same thing to meto Widowmaker. :angst:

Maybe the guy climbing up the ladder did'nt shot you. Maybe it was from behind. :dunno:

As for the hits with the Minigun, there are strength relics. ;)

[Recon]

Good advice, Infide. I too have spec'd widow.

As Infide said, LEARN to xloc.

Dont ever stop moving, ESPECIALLY in a doorway when your team is trying to get thru.

Disable "auotswitch weapons". This way when you are criusin along and pick up a weapon, it wont switch on ya.

Try playing some defense for a while. You attempts at flag capping have gotten in the way of a fully loaded and experienced FC.

Just friendly advice. I'm not beatin on ya. :)

[widowmaker]

I posted somewhere else that I run faster than my xloc flys. I only use it to reach places I cannot jump too. I know the virtues of the xloc but for whatever reason find it not workng for me.
I know full well it is like playing with one leg (leaving myself open to a lot of gun fire and moving slowly between points). Want to here another good one, I don't play with the sound on, my head set is broken and I have not bought a new one yet (too close to xmas).

As for watching me if it was yesterday (Sat Nov 30) then it may have been me or my cousin. He played three or four games.

Point is on a level playing field I would show much better. I have lag problems and I am very aware of how much it is influencing my effectiveness in the game. I know what I am capable of and it frustrates the living hell out of me to not be able to show what I really can do. Since there isn't anything I can do about it I don't worry about it and play for fun. I don't frag a lot and I rarely cap but I am accomplishnig the one thing that UT was intended for....I am having fun doing it. So did my cousin yesterday, it was his first online experience. :)

[widowmaker]

Originally posted by Recon
Good advice, Infide. I too have spec'd widow.

As Infide said, LEARN to xloc.

I know. It moves so slowly online for me it is pointless as a movement tool.


Dont ever stop moving, ESPECIALLY in a doorway when your team is trying to get thru.


It's not my fault I'm so fat. I just cannot lay off the twinkies. And Since when I do I stand in doorways?
Standing in one place = bad thing (promotes getting fragged)



Disable "auotswitch weapons". This way when you are criusin along and pick up a weapon, it wont switch on ya.

How do I put this. I am out of ammo more often than not and auto switch is sadly the fastest way to the fresh weapon. When I first started I had it disabled but found myself flcikung through the weapons so often that I was missing what was going on.


Try playing some defense for a while. You attempts at flag capping have gotten in the way of a fully loaded and experienced FC.

Fully loaded, oh right the so called teammates that I so considerately leave all the freaking ammo for. (That is a fact just watch me play). Now they could give me some cover or support me as I make the flag run. But I'm just the new guy so I'm on my own. Sometimes I pick it up by accident when shooting at opposing players and waiting for teammates to show up. Oops.


Just friendly advice. I'm not beatin on ya. :)

I undertsand. I'm working on an upgrade tomy machine here (soo n I hope) and hopefully that will help out enough I will be able to play a bit better. Too often my moves are cancelled out. Side dodge, character does funky twict but remains in place, I go to use the jump boots and hardly get off the ground (to the point I could have jumped higher with out the jump boots). On Foosball I had the flag and the jump boots and hit jump and didn't leave the ground. In each case I get fragged and the flag goes back. I look like a noob / idiot and just can't help it.

You pointed out playing D for a while. If I play D I will be banned and or hated by the end of the week. If it doens't come to that I will have the sign camper around my neck. I know all too well the respnse to anyone playing good D around here. First it is "the camper rant" , then the "you suxors rant" and finally the "your cheating / using an aim bot rant." I'll play D for a while now. Lets just see how long it takes before someone complains about me.

Thanks for the advice. I do have experience and am rather frustrated right now. It is to the point I know what some of you are going to do and how you are going to do it, but am unable to take steps to prevent it from happening.

[AriTheDog]

Too many excuses. :o

[sohowcome]

Originally posted by AriTheDog
Too many excuses. :o heheh

[widowmaker]

Originally posted by Fnix.USA
Same thing to meto Widowmaker. :angst:

Maybe the guy climbing up the ladder did'nt shot you. Maybe it was from behind. :dunno:

As for the hits with the Minigun, there are strength relics. ;)

Nope it was a lag problem. The guy on the ladder was one, there was no one behind me. The fact of the matter was the guy on the ladder was not on the ladder any more when he took the shot or had turned around. My machine was just out of sync with the server.

The miniguns is the same thing. They may have shot me a half dozen times before the damage is passed along to my machine. so I see one tracer and then die.

Just lag issues. I know about them and have to accept them if I want to play. When it gets so bad I cannot play (more than a quarter of a second behind I now leave. No point in chasing people where they were a moment ago or getting fragged repeatedly because I don't try to avoid any of the damage.

For now this is a way of life for me. Eventually I will find a way to over come or make use of my lag. Until then I'll just get fragged a lot and avoid the enemy flag since I seem to be getting in the way. Since it is for fun I'll do what I can to not annoy teammates.

[widowmaker]

Originally posted by AriTheDog
Too many excuses. :o

I'll see you online!

[shines up sniper rifle and eightball really, turns them side ways and.. end the Rock euphamisim.
;)

[Recon]

Originally posted by widowmaker
Fully loaded, oh right the so called teammates that I so considerately leave all the freaking ammo for. (That is a fact just watch me play). Now they could give me some cover or support me as I make the flag run.

Loaded as in full armour, health, fav weapons, deemer and speed relic.

Then you come trottin in with 22 health, 2 rockets, deaf and blind in one eye. And you want cover?

Pfft, that loaded up reg knows youre already dead, he's waiting at the flagstand for the flag to get returned. During which time he is getting pelted with spam, reducing his chance of a successful cap.

Save the excuses, we dont need it. Just take in what I'm saying.

Frag on.

[widowmaker]

Originally posted by Recon
Loaded as in full armour, health, fav weapons, deemer and speed relic.

Then you come trottin in with 22 health, 2 rockets, deaf and blind in one eye. And you want cover?

Pfft, that loaded up reg knows youre already dead, he's waiting at the flagstand for the flag to get returned. During which time he is getting pelted with spam, reducing his chance of a successful cap.

Save the excuses, we dont need it. Just take in what I'm saying.

Frag on.

Sorry but the Frag stops here.

I have many bad thoughts and words for you right now Recon. Condoning glory hog people who refuse to play as a team. Sad really sad.

This thread has gone way off topic now. If there are any admins or moderators. It is probably time to bring it to a close.
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For those who missed the point of this thread it was an attempt to point out how some funky lag can cause other players to look like their cheating.
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After further play. I'm beginning to think maybe it isn't the lag after all. I wish I could say that was joke.

[AriTheDog]

Oh, it's a joke alright. :o

[widowmaker]

If it were a joke it would be a bad one. I'm tired, have an intenet connection and a functional keyboard. I'm not armed but still dangerous. LOL
Whatever I am saying probably makes no sense. Am I rambling again.

Anyways Ari. Didn't quite catch up with you in the game. Seemed you were on my side or any where but in my sights.
I know that everything here is intended to be fun. I feel somehow like I should apologize for the mindless crap I post here some times.

Recon>> When the enemy has the flag they (most good players) don't go directly back to the base if they know their flag is gone. I bugs me to see several of my teammates all sitting around there waitig for the FC who isn't about to show up any time soon. It would just be nice if one of them could help this half blind, one legged, deaf FC out once in a while. Many of the regs are good at hunting the enemy FC down but they are on both teams which limits my pathetic lagged out life. MY gripe iwth your post was that you were condoning the leaving me to the dogs.

Point is I get so tired of FC's who can't even get back to the base. If I can do it then why can't they. Guys like Idol (saw a couple others I missed their names thought) are pretty good. Usually against me though.

Today after your post I went back on and played for a bit again. I could get to the enemy flag and stand around for a rather long time without any of my teammates showing up. I looked at the flag and wondered where the loaded reg was that was coming to get the flag. I waited but he never came. When I finaly got tired of waiting the game was already out of reach. I don't know who the good FC's are. So when I end up on a team that has none I'll need to take it upon myself to do the FC. Comig from Tribes I'm born to carry the flag. After my upgrade hopefully I'll be a little more effective at it.

Again sorry for the mindless drivel posts I make and the anger that some of them seem to have. Quick close this thread before I say anything else I will live to regret. I'd eat my words but my mouth is still so full of rockets and shock that there isn't room.

Good night.

[DeadLamb]

Originally posted by Recon
Pfft, that loaded up reg knows youre already dead,

Ah yes, the classic "go bait, go" move.. where one drags the whole D out of the base so that someone else can grab the flag and go the OTHER way. heh

Here is the thing with that.. If I see someone come into base, fight a little bit and take the flag. You get 100% to my death cover from me.. Errrrr but if I see a runner come in, fight a bunch of guys and get hurt alot, sorry your now bait :) More so if I just know they will not make it. hard to explain but sometimes ya just know.

This is NOT the same bait move some do.. Like War Master, he will NOT cover a runner, but will sit with the speed and belt or whatever else he has over the now gone flag so that he can go get "his" cap later.. I have even seen him telport PAST a runner on his team with guys on his ass to head for other base so he can get "his cap"... sigh..

[SoBeiT]

widowmaker....when your machine is ready to go..hope you enjoy UT more and have less problems.

Nothing messes the UT spirit up like LAG..no if ands or buts about it :(

[FBMachine]

I love lag, it's the perfect excuse.... :scratch: ;)
Dan

[widowmaker]

Originally posted by SoBeiT
widowmaker....when your machine is ready to go..hope you enjoy UT more and have less problems.

Nothing messes the UT spirit up like LAG..no if ands or buts about it :(

The upgrade is only a new processor. Maybe a bit of ram too. Nothing much and not a huge jump but hopefully enough to bump my machine enough to get past my lag issues.

[Lord_Simeon]

LOL

I love lag, it's the perfect excuse....

Damn, thats my excuse...
At least no one ever accuses me of botting. he he

[Idle Idol]

that and rediculous random luck. i'll be the first to say any game like this is a good deal luck, but oh my god...i started banging my head on the wall earlier today.

on frequency, someone trying to make a cap run with speed, so i watched which porter they went in from the shock rifle point and went to combo the according exit porter. combo in air, runner goose = cooked....

in the corner of my eye (i always look out that way on frequency checking for snipers) out pat the center spire, i could see 2 people fightong on the opposing shock platform. my teammate with a rifle, and a fresh enemy spawn with nothing of note in hand, i assumed enforcer. stray enforcer shot from them decks me in the head, breaks up combo, speed cap, win, bull****, idle bang head on wall till wall break. then replace wall, and break again. soon idle be headbutt champion of world.

--Idle, and i have the bruises to prove it

[Kindness]

You coulda been a contender!

[widowmaker]

Originally posted by Idle Idol
idle bang head on wall till wall break. then replace wall, and break again. soon idle be headbutt champion of world.

--Idle, and i have the bruises to prove it

Idle a Headbanger. I'd never have guessed. I don't bang my head I just swear at my computer.

Lag = Excuse
True but often, when I'm getting fragged bad, it becomes hard to keep in mind that others suffer the same problems I do.

LS>> I can be pretty sure I won't ever have to worry about that either.

[Fnix.USA]

Originally posted by widowmaker
I'll see you online!

[shines up sniper rifle and eightball really, turns them side ways and.. end the Rock euphamisim.
;)

Don't play bro! :p I played you on CTF-Hawk...

I was running into my base and I was X-locing around the corner of the front wall to the base, and Wapp! Toe-WHO! widomaker was telefragged! :rockon: I got his rocketlauncher! :D

[widowmaker]

You thief! Taking my rocket launcher. /jk

If you want the rockets for that I'll pass them along one at a time next time we meet. :D

"Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mid the most." -Ozzy

I should change my name becuase the only widow I'm making is my wife. LOL

[{chey}UN*REAL]

I have only one thing to say......I have fragged with alot of ya'll and let me tell this....you guys ( the regs) ROCK !!!!
I have been playing for over a year now and here of late I can't even get in to play because of my connection ....:moreconf: ....I return anywhere from 300ms to 800 ms from my 3rd hop..... soon to be fixed form what AT&T tells me....
Widow if you are just upgrading your processor and memory....it may help, but let me tell ya..to keep up with these guys you need a whole lot more ......
but hey, who am I to say....I still suck...I just like to help my team win....no mater how many times I die at my flag...:hammer:

Ok guys/girls...back to work for me !

[*HUMAN*]

One theme I noticed in Widowmaker's posts are his problems on UP #1. It's been my experience that UP #1 starts to lag badly whenever it gets full or almost-full. The game plays like there is 3-5% packetloss even though stat net doesn't show any. With less than 10-12 people it plays fine, go figure. I tend to play on UP #2 because I get great pings <40 and no packetloss. People think I'm on the same LAN as the server but its 1000 miles away :D

Not to beat a dead horse, but spectating the regulars is a great idea. Record a demo of them and see how they play the maps you have trouble on. 50% of what they do is just skill but the other 50% is knowing the map. Knowing where the enemy flag carrier has to be going and how to get there before he does. Knowing how to shake off pursuers when you've got the flag. Knowing where the powerups are, especially the "hidden" ones. Get in the habit of lobbing a few grenades or some goo at tight places the enemy frequents -- lots of easy kills to be had doing this. Just don't over do it or you'll piss your team off for being an ammo hog.

Also, I don't know if you have already, but turn the music off. Just turn the music volume all the way down. On low end systems this will give you a few more FPS, but more importantly you'll start to hear all sorts of new sounds. Folks pickup up armor and weapons. People shooting at your back. Combine this with knowledge of the maps and you've got your own sonar rig. :D :D

[Fnix.USA]

How do you make Demos? :confused:

Whats the console code?

[widowmaker]

Originally posted by *HUMAN*
One theme I noticed in Widowmaker's posts are his problems on UP #1. It's been my experience that UP #1 starts to lag badly whenever it gets full or almost-full. The game plays like there is 3-5% packetloss even though stat net doesn't show any. With less than 10-12 people it plays fine, go figure.


True server #1 does lag but most of my problem have been on server #4. That is where I was part of the game where my lag issue first rearer a BIG ugly head. On server #1 I don;t have as much of a problem with lag. Hence I would rather play there but sometimes it is hard to get on.



Also, I don't know if you have already, but turn the music off. Just turn the music volume all the way down. On low end systems this will give you a few more FPS, but more importantly you'll start to hear all sorts of new sounds. Folks pickup up armor and weapons. People shooting at your back. Combine this with knowledge of the maps and you've got your own sonar rig. :D :D

Good idea and one that I have used since the good old days of Doom. In UT it allows you to hear foot steps of those evil players who have invisability. I may not be able to see you but I can hear you. Well when I hook up my speakers or buy a new headset I will. LOL

Yes for a new player specing the reg would be a good idea. Point is I am not a new player. I am just new here and to the maps. Which brings to mind why don't any of the original or bonus pack maps get into the rotaton? (excluding facing worlds)

[Switch]

Originally posted by Fnix.USA
How do you make Demos? :confused:

Whats the console code?

demorec filename //starts recording to filename
stopdemo //stops recording
demoplay // plays da demo in fast choppy frame chunks :(
demoplay ?timebased - plays demo smoothly

http://unreal.epicgames.com/
click on console commands.

[eX-one]

Originally posted by widowmaker
Which brings to mind why don't any of the original or bonus pack maps get into the rotaton? (excluding facing worlds)


Part of the appeal of UP that brought me here (and made me stay) is the fact that there aren't any stock maps in play. There's hundreds of other servers that run stock maps, UP shouldn't be just another server in the crowd.

[Recon]

Ex-One is right. This is a custom-maps server. Peeps ask that question alot.


Good advice from HUMAN as well. (damn near impossible to frag his ass too) He has experience and skill, so listen up.

[AriTheDog]

HUMAN is ghoooood... Haven't played him in ages though.

[Recon]

......yes you have, just didnt know it.

[SoBeiT]

meow.....

[Zinia]

Watch out for that critter. :D

[*HUMAN*]

There's something fishy going on here...I just can't put my...digits on it. : rolleyes:

[AriTheDog]

:angst: Why me, why me!? :angst:

[widowmaker]

I see. Playing under a different alias.
But for what purpose, what sinister plan are you hiding from us?

Recon>> That was kind of a dumb question on my part. I should have realized that this is custom map server. Hehe. I should not post after three in the morning.

[Nitestalker]

I think that cats swallowed the canary, just check his litter box to make sure.