WTF's WRONG WITH YOU?? [Archive]

Idle Idol

11-07-2002, 02:00 PM

yes it's a big with the skin...and i brought this up with recon the other day....

if someone KNOWS that skin glitches so often and continue to use it....should we ask them to change skins?

if there is reason to believe they are using that skin ON PURPOSE...is that bannable as cheating?

i'd say yes on both counts...it's bull****.

the second one mainly applies to WM, kobe, and shaq...who i noticed after finding out that skin does that went from either using other skins or switching skins to using the boss/mark2 skins all the time.

i remember distinctly one night yelling at kobe to reconnect cause his skin was glitched and shaq asked what i meant...i exapliend it to both of them and since they have ALWAYS used that skin.

--Idle, coincidence? don't care...it's just an excuse.

The_Stranger

11-07-2002, 02:45 PM

Yesterday, I let an enemy FC run by wearing it before I made the connection that my red "team-mate" was carrying the red Flag.:o

Anyone know how to fix glitchy skins? It's a great skin, otherwise.

If not, can it be taken off of the servers? Then it wouldn't matter if people were trying to exploit the glitch or not.

Airlea

11-07-2002, 03:49 PM

*wraps an arm around Freakish and wraps the other around Horton* I luv you guys! And all the rest of you mooies!!

~Airlea~ Cheerleading for the moo's!

Recon

11-07-2002, 04:15 PM

I say remove the skin from the servers. Period.

This happens WAY too often. Too many peeps complain about it, justifiably so.

Lets just clean up this lil mess and move on. :moon:

_F7_

11-08-2002, 07:01 AM

Amen. Remove that skin and any other skins people use for some cheap advantage. :p Like the female and cow!

Kingster

11-08-2002, 07:25 AM

Just out of curiousity, how could that skin be removed from the server? Or one's individual machine?

Theoretically, if you don't have the skin, you don'ty have it...

FBMachine

11-08-2002, 07:37 AM

You could remove the skin from the skeletalchars.int file and the server won't know the skin exists, ie. you won't be able to use it on the server. I don't know if that would cause a mismatch with the clients though. :scratch: Or you could just use a mutator that replaces the skin with another standard one.
Dan

Recon

11-08-2002, 08:09 AM

I have the Asia skins package. If I try to use one of them, it switches to a standard skin when I join the server.

Dorkorama

11-08-2002, 09:09 AM

I remembered there being a fix to allow custom WarBoss skins. Thinking that there may be a chance that I could find some information on fixing the original skin bug, I looked it up. It seems that the fix might correct the skin bug itself:
http://www.bloodysabbath-ut-server.com/bp4fix.htm

I figure it can be tested on a few rounds of CTF-FIFA (which seems to be the map where it's easiest to spot the skin bug) after being installed to the server.

HortonsWho

11-08-2002, 09:14 AM

Good info! Thanks

Kindness

11-08-2002, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Dorkorama
I remembered there being a fix to allow custom WarBoss skins. Thinking that there may be a chance that I could find some information on fixing the original skin bug, I looked it up. It seems that the fix might correct the skin bug itself:
http://www.bloodysabbath-ut-server.com/bp4fix.htm I have the Bonus Pack 4 skinnable models fix installed and I still experience that particular skin bug still. I don't think there's any reference to the skin bug in it's write-up, it was correcting a problem that prevented alternate skins for the Warboss and Xan Mk. 2 models. :(

Kindness

11-08-2002, 01:41 PM

I posted the question at Identity Crisis (http://dynamic3.gamespy.com/~identitycrisis/). I'll let you know if I hear anything.

[S]uper[D]ank

11-08-2002, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by Turkish
Are you sure that's not part of his "Everyone's Cheating" strategy?

Where you been Turkish? Hasn't MadMike or Stealth email you the new
RegsCheatBot

/// according to WarMaster///

Dorkorama

11-08-2002, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by Kindness
I have the Bonus Pack 4 skinnable models fix installed and I still experience that particular skin bug still. I don't think there's any reference to the skin bug in it's write-up, it was correcting a problem that prevented alternate skins for the Warboss and Xan Mk. 2 models. :(
Unfortunately this would have to be installed server side to work (if it does.) Right now I'm having a enough fun trying to replicate the skin bug on my LAN so I can test it out.

RedMag*

11-08-2002, 04:15 PM

i know i got fu** a few time now like yesterday again that damn Boss skin at less guys go on the red team if u your going to use that skin :mad:

phalanx

11-08-2002, 04:52 PM

yeah maybe gettin the skin fix is a good idea
(itsin here (http://planetunreal.com/identitycrisis/utilities/index.shtml) BTW)

RNThrillKILL

11-08-2002, 05:44 PM

I dunt know whats going on with these skins I use them all the time I dont go to any server without these skins i dont use it to cheat which some ppl miaht think

I was on red the last game and then I went on to blve it does not chonse my skin color like it suppose to

Xan mk 2 is a cool skins

ps i will not change the skin

phalanx

11-08-2002, 05:45 PM

nah xan mk2 sux warboss rulz

RNThrillKILL

11-08-2002, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by phalanx
nah xan mk2 sux warboss rulz

no warboss sux and xan mk 2 rulz :D ;)

DeadLamb

11-09-2002, 12:32 AM

The reason so many think it is CHEAP as hell to run with that skin is geeeeeeee you never see the skin your in.. Maybe if the sounds are different but that is about it..

I like to see dif skins in a game being in makes the game more interesting but if there is a clear bug / error in a skin I find it hard to understand that someone would still run it all the time when asked not too... after all, again, you can't see your own skin so it should not be a big deal to change to one with out a bug..

Main cheese think it gains a person is a free path the flag for the first few caps..

Infide

11-09-2002, 12:45 AM

People who use the skin LIKE the fact that it messes up. I told Dipper on server 4 today a THOUSAND times that his skin color was wrong and to reconnect. His responce "Y"
My responce "Y" isn't a word, it's a letter. Actually it was, "Rejoin damn it. Your SKIN color is RED and you are on BLUE's team."
Of course he didn't care and kept playing, just like Shaq does. Where's Recon when you need him? People like that need to be booted if they refuse to correct the problem.

widowmaker

11-09-2002, 01:32 AM

When in doubt shoot them anyway. Unless team damage is on (don't ever recall seeing that) your teammates won't be hurt. Just annoyed.

outdoor

11-09-2002, 02:17 AM

Originally posted by Infide
Where's Recon when you need him?

this tells hows Recon infrequently monitors the server.

Hehe jk. :p dont ban me!!!!:eek:

Idle Idol

11-09-2002, 07:35 AM

Originally posted by widowmaker
When in doubt shoot them anyway. Unless team damage is on (don't ever recall seeing that) your teammates won't be hurt. Just annoyed.

you do, but it still gives then an unfair advantage. and we shouldn't HAVE to do that in the first place. it's just a work around for a problem that needs to be fixed.

--Idle, "D'oh! I thought you were shaq! my bad!"

Idle Idol

11-09-2002, 07:35 AM

this was not a double post.

--Idle, this was not a double post

phalanx

11-09-2002, 07:40 AM

idle +1

widowmaker

11-09-2002, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by Idle Idol
you do, but it still gives then an unfair advantage. and we shouldn't HAVE to do that in the first place. it's just a work around for a problem that needs to be fixed.

To bad the rumored multiplayer for Unreal2 isn;t going to be what it was reported to be. It was reported that there would be three types of character to pick from and one of them would have the ability to change team colors to confuse the opposing team. Would have been cool. Too bad it was nothing more than a rumor.

Could also have been annoying. LOL

Idle Idol

11-09-2002, 11:04 AM

you can do that in half-life, if you've ever played that. in the TFC (team fortress classic) official mod

there are 8 classes, each looks distincly different

one class is a "spy"

you can change team colors, and appear as if you are another class. (i liked being an engineer)

and you have a knife, a knife shot directly in the back of an enemy is essentially an auto kill

but everyone just shoots all their teammates, so it's not overpowering.

but thats intended and expected, UT skin glitches are not =)

--Idle, played tfc for like 2 weeks...woot

widowmaker

11-09-2002, 11:33 AM

Half Life. I dare not get started on that. All I'll say is Half Life and I don't mix.

Kindness

11-09-2002, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by psychic_313 (a moderator) on Identity Crisis (http://dynamic3.gamespy.com/~identitycrisis/) forum in response my request for help regarding the Warboss skin bug
I've never seen this myself, and if anything I would have thought this would happen the other way round (the default non-team skin is blue, after all).

The more info you can provide, the more likely it is that someone will figure it out. For instance:

- Do you have access to the server's unrealtournament.log from a game where this happened?
- Does this happen on listen servers, dedicated servers, or both?
- Do you have a copy of the server's ServerPackages settings from a game where this happened?
- Is this with my "Warboss [fixed]" (the skinnable one), or with the original Bonus Pack 4 Warboss?Somebody help me here: I personally don't have access to the unrealtournament.log file, but, I suppose an admin would help if we gave him some specific requests.
The UnrealPlayground.com servers are dedicated, linux servers.
Not sure which server packages we have; utpure, relics, revenge, ... :dunno:
Is the Warboss skin fix installed on the servers :dunno:

Psychic_313

11-09-2002, 06:27 PM

Hi, I'm Psychic_313, author of the skinnability fix someone posted up above (and the same psychic_313 as on Identity Crisis).

Bad news:

1. My skinnability fix has nothing to do with this bug; I wasn't aware of this bug when I wrote it.

2. According to the source code, this can't happen unless TeamNum is 0. Team 0 is red team, so if this is actually the case, the Warboss glitching is the least of your problems (TeamNum is the server variable controlling which team you're on, and is also what the server uses for the scoreboard, team damage, where to respawn, which flag you can pick up, etc.)

static function SetMultiSkin(Actor SkinActor, string SkinName, string FaceName, byte TeamNum)
{
local texture Face;

if ( TeamNum == 0 )
{
SkinActor.Skin = texture(DynamicLoadObject("SkeletalChars.WarRed",class'Texture'));
Face = texture(DynamicLoadObject("SkeletalChars.WarRedFace",class'Texture'));
}
else if ( TeamNum == 3 )
{
SkinActor.Skin = texture(DynamicLoadObject("SkeletalChars.WarGold",class'Texture'));
Face = texture(DynamicLoadObject("SkeletalChars.WarGoldFace",class'Texture'));
}
else if ( TeamNum == 2 )
{
SkinActor.Skin = texture(DynamicLoadObject("SkeletalChars.WarGreen",class'Texture'));
Face = texture(DynamicLoadObject("SkeletalChars.WarGreenFace",class'Texture'));
}
else
{
SkinActor.Skin = texture(DynamicLoadObject("SkeletalChars.WarBlue",class'Texture'));
Face = texture(DynamicLoadObject("SkeletalChars.WarBlueFace",class'Texture'));
}
if( Pawn(SkinActor) != None )
Pawn(SkinActor).PlayerReplicationInfo.TalkTexture=Face;
}

<edit>
If you know how to reproduce this fairly reliably and you're opposed to cheating, please contact me via e-mail (warboss at pseudorandom dot co dot uk) or a private message. If someone helps me find out where the bug is, I might be able to hack together a properly-working version and a mutator which replaces the broken one.
</edit>

MadMikey

11-11-2002, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by Kindness
Somebody help me here: I personally don't have access to the unrealtournament.log file, but, I suppose an admin would help if we gave him some specific requests.
The UnrealPlayground.com servers are dedicated, linux servers.
Not sure which server packages we have; utpure, relics, revenge, ... :dunno:
Is the Warboss skin fix installed on the servers :dunno: Ok, the next time someone witnesses this, here's what we need: screenshots. Multiple's if you can get them. Preferably with a red guy carrying a red flag or something like that, also show the player scores, to confirm which team a particular player is on.
Server # that it happened on
Date / Time, with timezone info
Map that it happened on.This information makes it easier to find it in the logs.

Anyone who see's this, email the above information to me at madmikey@unrealplayground.com And we'll see that the information needed by Indentity Crisis gets to them, either via Kindness, or we can work with them directly (your call Kindness :D)

Idle Idol

11-11-2002, 12:55 PM

i don't believe it's a server side problem..it's a client side problem, seemingly. i've had more than one occasion where i have seen someone in the skin as the wrong color (i.e. they are on blue team but look red) but other players/spectators see them as the correct color (blue player blue skin)

--Idle, it might just be one mass hallucination

Mofoco

11-11-2002, 01:34 PM

OK, We all Put on the Xan Skin and play on #3 tonight and see if it happens, then SLAM on the brakes and take pics.

/Mofoco poses like Arnold Swarzenwhatever* :D

radio667

11-11-2002, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by Mofoco
OK, We all Put on the Xan Skin and play on #3 tonight and see if it happens, then SLAM on the brakes and take pics.

/Mofoco poses like Arnold Swarzenwhatever* :D Weeheee - sounds to me like server 3 is going to rock tonight :D !!!!!!!!!!!!!

SoBeiT

11-11-2002, 02:42 PM

Just don't talk like him..hehehe

Mofoco

11-11-2002, 02:43 PM

Cant Wait to see SoBe in XAN. Hehe

Psychic_313

11-12-2002, 09:29 AM

I've attached a small mutator (source included) which does excessive logging to the server log, and optionally the player's logfile too, for the Warboss and Xan models. This might be useful if you find out how to reproduce the bug, to track down exactly where the problem is.

<edit>
Identity Crisis' thread for this topic:
http://www.gamerforums.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5064
</edit>

squid

11-12-2002, 05:17 PM

To many players run faster change color at will and just dont die no matter the frags yet call them on it than like magic they start dieing leave the game come back as someone else or act like everyone dose it well everyone dose'nt and we all need to work on getting it stoped.:mad:

ShirleyFT

11-12-2002, 06:24 PM

Hi Squid.

I had a friend I called Squid. He used to pull his turtleneck collar up over his face like that character in the Bazooka Joe bubblegum comics. We had a punk rock band, but he got into the needle. He died in '96. Well, enough happy stories for now. Welcome to the playground.

Recon

11-12-2002, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by squid
To many players run faster change color at will and just dont die no matter the frags yet call them on it than like magic they start dieing leave the game come back as someone else or act like everyone dose it well everyone dose'nt and we all need to work on getting it stoped.:mad:

Welcome to UP.

How long have you been playin UT online?

If anyone is suspected of cheating, we have methods inplace to report them and have them banned. On UP servers only.

Keep in mind, we have some of the best UT players in the world on these servers. So be very careful who you accuse of cheating.

SoBeiT

11-12-2002, 09:03 PM

Just send a Private Message to Recon instead of blasting someone in the forum.

It saves embarassment to yourself (in case your wrong) and doesn't tip off the accused they are being observed.

Kindness

11-12-2002, 09:26 PM

Has anybody figured out how to reproduce the Warboss bug? This is our big chance to work with Psychic_313 to get this solved once and for all.

eX-one

11-12-2002, 10:19 PM

I think the best way would be to run FIFA on one server and get a bunch of us to use the xan skin. It's bound to mess up sooner or later

Moot

11-12-2002, 10:26 PM

Yum, a 10v10 FIFA relics server...

Kindness

11-13-2002, 12:59 AM

Maybe some one with admin privs could suggest a time when volunteers could connect to one of the servers and see if we could recreate the problem.

Also, it would be nice to be able to install Psychic_313's skeletaldebug-20021112 mod on that server for this occasion. :D

LL|Dirt

11-17-2002, 01:55 PM

I'd volunteer to help test it out. I hate that dang glitch, It gets me soooo confused :loopy:

Doofus

11-17-2002, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by Idle Idol
yes it's a big with the skin...and i brought this up with recon the other day....

if someone KNOWS that skin glitches so often and continue to use it....should we ask them to change skins?

if there is reason to believe they are using that skin ON PURPOSE...is that bannable as cheating?

i'd say yes on both counts...it's bull****.

Agree.

Kindness

11-17-2002, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by MadMikey
Ok, the next time someone witnesses this, here's what we need: screenshots. Multiple's if you can get them. Preferably with a red guy carrying a red flag or something like that, also show the player scores, to confirm which team a particular player is on.
Server # that it happened on
Date / Time, with timezone info
Map that it happened on.This information makes it easier to find it in the logs.

Anyone who see's this, email the above information to me at madmikey@unrealplayground.com And we'll see that the information needed by Indentity Crisis gets to them, either via Kindness, or we can work with them directly (your call Kindness :D) see below.
Server #1
Sunday, November 17, 12:42 pm Pacific
CFT-SFT_BinaryStarI e-mailed the above information to MadMikey today. Has anybody else followed through on his request or do you all prefer to act like a bunch of doofuses and just whine about it?

HortonsWho

11-17-2002, 10:29 PM

Thanks for the details, Kindness! It's much appreciated.

Hort

BTW-- I finally got my online UT2k3 straightened out. Let me know when you want to meet online and I'll give it a go with you.

Kindness

11-18-2002, 12:11 AM

Kewlness :)

I have "HortonsWho" on my buddies list; add "Kindness" to yours. I never spell it with all caps -- there a few kindnesses running around.

I'll be on UP 2003 CTF around 3pm Eastern (noon Pacific) tomorrow -- hoping to connect up with The_Stranger, then. This will be part 1 of the test where we prove that simply installing the custom skins on the clients is not enough for players to use those skins.

Shadowb&RPGTS

11-18-2002, 01:39 AM

ive seen it over 8 months ago as well

Shadowb&RPGTS

11-18-2002, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by Kindness
see below.
Server #1
Sunday, November 17, 12:42 pm Pacific
CFT-SFT_BinaryStarI e-mailed the above information to MadMikey today. Has anybody else followed through on his request or do you all prefer to act like a bunch of doofuses and just whine about it?

I ain't whinin,
ain't askin for it to disappear niether.

Zinia

11-18-2002, 07:37 AM

Originally posted by Kindness
Has anybody else followed through on his request or do you all prefer to act like a bunch of doofuses and just whine about it?

I sent one from last week to MM, also.

So am I still acting like Doofus? :D

Doofus

11-18-2002, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by RichardZinia
I sent one from last week to MM, also.

So am I still acting like Doofus? :D

Hey! I resemble that remark! ;)

BTW, my new aliases (you'll recognize me by the same ol' Doofus chat keybinds):

tardy_Edwards
sickly_Ramirez

You will see these used in games opposite:
timely_Jennings
healthy_Valdez

MARKER77

11-18-2002, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by Freakish
Yet another reason everyone should use the cow skin.

:D

Did someone say COW NIGHT??

Airlea

11-18-2002, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by Doofus
Hey! I resemble that remark! ;)

hey!! That's my line!! =P

Originally posted by Doofus
You will see these used in games opposite:
timely_Jennings
healthy_Valdez

Timely_jennings. lol someone was complaining about you the other week. too funny.

I'm totally with freakish on this whole cow thing!! And yes Marker, we need another Mooie night!!

~Airlea~ Rock on mooies!

Ps: I never heard the mooies squeal before in UT when they were shot... omg.. it's heart wrenching! Then I keep picturing FCSM's and just picture all the cows being freakish... so they must die. *nods*