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12-22-2001, 03:46 PM
Great movie! It kept pretty close to the book too. Awesome special effects all the way through the 3 hours! Just make sure you use the restroom BEFORE the movie starts :D
12-22-2001, 03:51 PM
I am a long time fan of the books and I was very pleasently surprised by the movie. They didn't change very much and what they did change was acceptable. The effects were the best I have ever seen. Good flick.
12-22-2001, 04:40 PM
I'm going to see it within the next 3 hours. I haven't read the books since I was 15 including the very first one which very few people have read "Simarillion" before the Hobbit. So I've forgotten a lot of it. But from the screen previews I have seen so far, it looks like an exact port of the Walt disney version. Its like the director just copied the way the cartoons looked and even some of the scenes things directly. But everyone who has seen it so far says it pretty incredible so we shall see :) .
I think Horton started a LOTHR thread also:
12-31-2001, 11:05 AM
I see that either no one has actually read the books or we are all suffering from THC memory loss.
Aside from the fact that there was this ring and it was found by a hobbit, given to another one and that one was chosen to goto Mordor to toss it into Doom, the movie DOES NOT follow the book very much at all.
12-31-2001, 02:28 PM
I've read the book about twenty times and I disagree EH.
It does follow the story pretty damn close. A good job for a movie. They didn't change very much other than giving Arwen a bigger part and enhancing the love story between her and Aragorn. Only took five minutes and she was gone. The only thing they did was cut stuff out. Everybody knew they were gonna have to cut some stuff or it was going to be a six hour movie istead of 3.
The Shire kicked ass. Moria kicked ass. Isengard was put into the story a little early, but it wasn't changed much. I was actually surprised at how closely they followed the story.
12-31-2001, 02:33 PM
i'm almost done with the hobbit...
12-31-2001, 04:20 PM
I just went and saw it again today and it is just an awesome movie. The Arwen change bothers me somewhat only because my fear is that they will try to meld Eowyn's part into Arwen, meaning will Arwen be on the Pellonnor (sp) fields?
Can't wait for Helm's Deep and Shelob's Lair in the next one!!
12-31-2001, 08:08 PM
I read the books twice starting From the Simarillion, Hobbit, Fellowship....about a decade ago. I have an edition thats over 1200 pages and contains all the books in one book excluding the Hobbit and Simarillion...And the movie does follow the book pretty closely, much more so than I expected. Great movie!!!! One of best movies ever made.
01-01-2002, 03:21 AM
I never read the book but got into it very easily! There was one part I hated most about the movie though... It had to end!!
01-01-2002, 01:31 PM
wrong Wrong WRONG
1) Saruman does not appear in the first book except when Gandalf speaks of him at the Concil of Elrond.
2) Never in any of the books do Saruman and Gandalf get into the half-assed fight depicted in the movie.
3) Saruman DOES NOT fling snow on them from Orthanc as they try to cross Caradhras. The snow comes from the mountain itself.
4) It is not Gimli's idea to goto Moria, nor is it Aragorns. It was Gandalfs. Aragorn, in fact, WARNS Gandalf himself about going because he( Aragron) is concerned for Gandalfs safety.
5) The battle with the Troll in Moria looked cool in the movie; it never happened in the book.
6) Orcs cant climb walls like some sort of damn bugs.
7) Where were the Dwarves to go with Bilbo when he left after the "Long Expected Party"?
Now, these may be somewhat nit-picky...but as you see they do not follow the book(in fact there is much more, I would guess about 1/3 of the movie never happened in the book).
These are MAJOR departures from the books:
1) Anything to do with Arwen(Arwen with a SWORD? Sneaking up on Aragorn? And commanding the RIVER? give me a break).
2) No Bombadil.
3) No Old Forest.
4) No "Short-Cut to Mushrooms".
5) No Gildor.
6) That crap at the ferry.
7) No Glorfindal(yes, I know Arwen replaced him).
8) Aragorns character, his sword, ect( Whats this crap about he "choose's" to hide? And wasnt proud of his past? They completly changed his whole character).
9) Elrond is sort of an *******.
10) Galadriel is made out to be some elf-witch freak.
11) Stair-cases? In trees?
12) The Mirror scene.
and many more...
Now, whether you like the movie or not is subjective, but it does not follow the book much except in the very basic part of the story.
Ink, THC is bad for your memory...:D
01-01-2002, 02:54 PM
Well the mirror scene is in the movie, and is fairly accurate.
There is a battle at Moria where the cave troll is present (I think he gets stabbed in the foot) but he does not get directly involved in the battle. But the movie uses the troll to replace the Orc that injures frodo. I think some of tolkiens drawings show staircases in trees. The movie leaves trivial stuff out but nothing significant worth seeing, and does minor variations on incidences that take place in the book. But it is pretty accurate, more so than most movies that are taken from books.
Come to think of it. The battle with the troll was a great idea since in the book, its what they were most worried about in Moria
01-01-2002, 05:11 PM
Fine. THC this......
Sauraman's part was moved up a little. Fine by me. It wasn't changed much. Gandalf and Sauraman did indeed battle at Orthanc. This was implied but not dramatized in the book. Did you think Gandalf just let himself be imprisoned? He was mastered by Sauraman. I don't see any harm is showing this. Makes it easier to understand for people who haven't read the book.
Bombadil is one of my favourite parts of the book, but it is not essential to the plot and indeed would have needlessly added to the length.
Short-cut to mushrooms is the same way. Not really essential to the plot and time consuming.
Old Forest, not essential. Time consuming.
I am actually very glad they just cut those thing instead of re-writing them like the Arwen part.
Actually, it was supposed to be Sauron who threw the weather at the Fellowship on Carhadas.
Quote: "His arm has grown long indeed, " said Gimli, " if he can draw snow down from the North to trouble us here three hundred leagues away."
"His arm has grown long" said Gandalf.
Quote: ElectricHead "Stair-cases? In trees?"
Lothlorien was a city built in the trees. Read the book again.
Quote from book "It is a long climb for those not accustomed to such stairs" Haldir.
Quote: At a great height above the ground he came to a wide talon, like the dick of a great ship. On it was built a house, so large that it would have served for a hall of Men upon the earth.
Don't you think a house that large would have some stairs?
Galadriel is indeed a witch-queen. She is an Elf Queen who holds a ring of power. I thought the part where Frodo offered her the ring was very much like the book.
Quote from book after Frodo offers her the ring: "She lifted up her hand and from the ring that she wore there issued a great light that illumined her alone and left all else dark. She stoo before Frodo seeming now tall beyond measurement, and beautiful beyond enduring, terrible and worshipfull"
I thought they got that seen pretty close. Although they left Sam and her ring out.
Cave troll was only mentioned in the book. They never actually fought it. It replaced the Orc Chieftan in the movie. Big deal. Better for the movie and hurts the story not at all.
I do agree that Elrond was mis-cast. He sucked. Everybody else was pretty good though.
Christ dude, you could nit-pick all day about things they left out. LIke the elven cloaks, the stone trolls they found from Bilbo's day, Bill Ferny, the list goes on. I think that you can only do so much with a book-to-movie type scenario. And, I also think these guys did a great job.
Maybe you should toke a bong instead of drinking those 100/proof beers you drink.:rolleyes:
01-02-2002, 01:27 PM
The "stairs" in the book were rope ladders.
There was no battle in the book implied in anyway between Gandalf and Saruman.
I'll edit in the quote from the book about Carhadas when I get home...it WAS the mountain.
The troll in the book was stabbed by Frodo with Sting after Boromir notched his blade on it. Also, two trolls used stones as gang-ways over the fire so the orcs could pursue the Company before the Balrog showed up.
Galadriel was cast as a freak. Celeborn is not mentioned even once.
I stand by my earlier reply; it follows the movie only loosely, about 1/3 never happened in any of the books(and it was 3 damn hours long), and most of the charactors were mis-cast, especially Aragorn and Galadriel.
01-02-2002, 03:07 PM
to a casual observor like me it was a good movie...
we'll see if my opinion changes when i do the reading. :rolleyes:
01-03-2002, 03:59 AM
just saw the movie
the only thing i didnt like is it really leave u hanging for the sequal.
01-05-2002, 06:05 AM
hehe--- have seen it 5 times and enjoy it more each time!
I have read the books thoroughly and agree with Ink. It is enough like the books to please me as a fan of Tolkein yet survives VERY well on it's own for a movie. Peter Jackson is a genious.
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