CTF-phalanxspyramid(beta)

[Squirrelinabox]

Ok, I tested the map out, just to see if phalanx was really trying to improve. If any of you have downloaded the map you know he hasn't attempted one ounce of improvement.

phalanx, if you read this (what the hell am i saying you respond to EVERY thread), please understand that what i say is my opinion yes, but in this case (and probably only this case) EVERYBODY will agree with me.

1) Your maps suck. Your pyramid map is actually WORSE than the maps I have already seen. Why? Too big, too open, looks like crap, plays like crap, hell it is crap.

2) It doesn't seem like you care what we say. You release a beta with nothing in it cept flags. Ok, I could understand you may want to know about the general layout and such, but you should have at least added some more. At least you tried the beta process, but really you should spend more time on your maps before even publishing a beta. I spent more time translocating from one base to the other in phalanxspyramid than you probably spent on the map. If you did spend a lot of time on the map then i pity you. That map should take MUCH less than an hour to make, more like 10 minutes at the most.

3) You just don't get it. I know I am souding like an ass and some may say I should give you a break and try to help you or whatever, but you just don't get it. You probably won't understand gameplay and flow for a few years, actually maybe never. You seem to think you are making decent maps, and if this is true, you really don't understand what makes a map fun. Sure we can all say, you need a little z-axis in there, and try to make things a little less open, but in the end, you won't understand what it takes.

4) Don't blame your inexperience with the editor. If you knew anything about what makes a good map, you could at least make something somewhat fun, though it may look like crap. Personally, i know many of my maps aren't that great, though I find a couple of them very fun. I could do a little better with more time put into the map making process, but if I didn't care about looks at all (which is what you seem feel about mapmaking) then I could probably create maps that are a little more fun.

5) Sometimes you just need to accept the fact that you aren't good at something. You might be able to get better over time, but until then you really should keep working on maps offline and not publish them. You maps bring nothing to the rest of us except an occasional good laugh. You say you are going to suprise us, well you suprised me, you did worse.

I know I am an ass at this point, I really don't care. I tire of stupidity, I tire of ignorance, I tire of holding back (yes I hold back a little). Phalanx, you just don't get it.

[blito3]

1.5 minute run to the flag in the open..hmmmm
bad phalanx.....study some othermaps...steal ideas from them
and call them your own and u will soon discover that an idea of
worth will pop in your head....but that map is just tooooooo friggin big
just wait a few hours i will whip up a pyramid map
and u can fiddle and add to it

[blito3]

phalanx ,I just made this one
upload it and add weapons
source lighting
and bot path
and retexture
allso add eyecandy
then resubmit
then i will look at what u did to make the map better
or worse
http://www.unrealplayground.com/download.php?mapid=884

[blito3]

and this pic of flag room:scratch:

[phalanx]

ok mybe i should have added a bit more to it i just want oppinions on what i should add and were:D

[blito3]

its not the add or subtract ]
its the over all design that is causing
the map not like response from everyone

[phalanx]

ok it is in a very early stage a very early stage:D

[Squirrelinabox]

phalanx the problem is that you don't get it... like i said before. If you played your map for a second, walked the distance of the flags, you should know right away that IT SUCKS. It doesn't take a good mapper, or a good player, or anything, it takes common sense to realize it is too long a distance. Then look at how large each separate room is "that just can't be good" should be what you hear in your head. You don't understand anything about what a good map should be, you can't learn from people telling you "that needs to be smaller, that needs to be less blocky" because you won't understand. You can make a map that is based on exactly what people say and it might not suck, but the truth is that you didn't design a map, you just put blocks together in a form that people told you.

[phalanx]

ok i redo it then (smaller more z axis curves)

[Squirrelinabox]

phalanx, see all you are doing is trying to copy exactly what we tell you. The problem is that you can't comprehend the factors that go into a good map.

[Play]

Originally posted by Squirrelinabox
phalanx, see all you are doing is trying to copy exactly what we tell you. The problem is that you can't comprehend the factors that go into a good map.

Give 'em a break Squirrel. I fully understand what you're saying and though I absolutely agree that some people may just not be cut out for certain things, I think we can still gnudge him in the right direction in a different way. Everyone has a different way of learning.

Like what Blito3 did, try giving him "homework" assignments and see how well he does. He can either a) learn to expand his mind and start designing 3-dimesionally with a player's perspective in mind b) crash and burn miserably. Either way, he just may gain something from the whole experience.

Even if you still don't think he can change, there's really no need for such hostility. He's just a kid for chri$t sakes.

P.S. Sorry, I'll get off my high horse now and get back to reality.

Play

[blito3]

now the first thing u do is subtract a few polyoacrom shapes
then u add some gridtracktion devices
insert some moodplayerstops
make sure all the lightzeros are set to 256
these are auto map set up formats for the UTeditor

[Squirrelinabox]

Play I know I am being kind of a jerk, but in all honesty phalanx is a moron. Yes I said it, but we all have been thinking it. So why is he a moron?

1) He spams all the threads with nonsense. Ok, we can understand that he may THINK he has something to say, but when we all try to tell him (nicely at first) that he needs to try quality over quantity and he STILL doesn't calm down, then that just shows he is ignorant of his actions. A smart person would realize that enough is enough when it comes to those posts.

2) His maps. Some may say he is just a kid, some may say he needs time with the editor, but I say he is a moron. I was fiddling with editors back in the days of quake 1 when I was younger than 15 and I made some pretty cool maps. That was with a very inferior editor and with weaker technology, yet in a couple weeks I was making somewhat decent maps. So I don't care about his age or his experience. A person of average intelligence would realize the map wasn't ready for beta, and that it shouldn't have been created at all.

3) He isn't improving. We tell him to make more than one room, so what does he do, make 3 LARGE ass cubes with a gameplay detracting ugly pyramid in the middle. He releases it as beta (because we all told him to do beta) with no weapons, no lighting, no anything. A person of semi-average intelligence would realize the futility of uploading such a piece of garbage.

4) andAction. I personally thought these were jokes, and that somebody was just messing around, but when I found out somebody thought they were good maps... hell I flipped. Read the descriptions on those maps, look at how he thinks people are following the maps as if they were worth playing. He even made a couple that were UNPLAYABLE, even with just myself in there one of the andActions lagged so much it almost froze UT. A person of sub average intelligence would realize it wouldn't play.

5) His writing. Ok, I have asked him before if English is his native language, he never responded so I assume it is. Now, anybody at age 10 could speak better than him. Maybe his keyboard is missing a letter or two, or maybe it is just him missing millions of brain cells... I just don't know. All I know is that he doesn't write intelligently and doesn't act intelligently, I think he is a futile little boy who probably will never contribute to the gaming community as a player/mapper/spectator.

[Gui]

I totally agree with you Play: I've understood since a long time that SIAB is a bit impulsive so maybe he should simply leave Phal alone... Obviously, SIAB's behaviour didn't give any positive results for the moment, it's the exact contrary: Phal seems to be a sort of particular case which requires particular ways of teaching and especially some patience, a quality that SIAB doesn't seem to posses...

So, Phal: did you take a look to the various tuts whose I've posted the URLs in some previous threads? If the case, what did you get from these documents? I don't doubt even for one second that you're a smart guy but maybe you've misunderstood some keypoints of these tuts (that can happen to everyone): feel free to ask me anything, in here or in the "editing" forum of Insite...

I'll be more than happy to give you some tips :cool:

[blito3]

squirrell, without people like phalanx
u would be bored....really really bored
u see people like phalanx and i am sure others
will pop up here and there.
Provide us with endless amounts of entertainment
sure they make crappy maps
sure they dont have a clue
sure they think they know whats going on
but u miss the point, without them
the forums would be a bore
i enjoy the rants the scathing critisms
and the wit of the forums

[Squirrelinabox]

in all honesty though, i don't think of the forums as a form of entertainment. and stupidity has long since been funny to me, now it is just annoying and disheartening to know there are people that dumb out there.

GUI, we all tried to be nice and helpful, it didn't work. My opinion on the situation is that phalanx won't understand no matter how many tutorials we throw at him. Granted, I could be wrong, and I know I always sound like I don't think I am ever wrong, but that is just because I express myself VERY loudly. I think it is just a waste of time to baby somebody through making maps. If they can't figure out the basics from all those tutorials... heck you should know some of the basics just by playing a few hours, then they are doomed.

I also don't play on changing phalanx by being mean to him. I just want him to realize I think he is a moron, nuff said. I don't plan on him getting smarter now because I was an ass to him, I don't think he will make better maps now (unless out of spite). I just wanted to say my bit.

Oh, and phalanx has never once said anything EVER to defend himself or his maps, I just want to know what he is thinking.

[Gui]

What Phal thinks is not of your concern, SIAB: if he really bores you so much, just do the exact same thing that I usually do with YOU, ignore him...

Phal, I repeat what I said: if you have any question, feel free to ask :cool:

[blito3]

LOL

[theswarm]

Phal: nice little encouragement tip. Go on SIAB's profile and add him to your ignore list. That way you'll spend more time learning and less time reading his non-constructive criticism. Like Gui said, feel free to ask questions. That's what the level design forum is for.

I can understand not liking something squirrel, but at least TRY to help him instead of trying to flame him away. That tends to cause the flamer to go away before the flamed person does in this kind of case. Why? Everyone else is trying to help him. I've honestly NEVER seen a positive remark from you squirrel, go take some anti-depressants or something. Maybe you should take a break for a while, go enjoy yourself IRL. :)

[HortonsWho]

1) Thanks for the offers of help, gang. :)

2) Phalanx, LISTEN to what they have to say and you will improve.

:)

[Squirrelinabox]

Swarm I have TRIED to help him and at the beginning I was more contructive, but he doesn't listen.

I know you are bitter because I thought your remake of CivilWar2 was a bad idea, and executed even poorer. Hell, the truth is phalanx does make bad maps. Most people probably probably agreed with me about your CivilWar project. I just tell it how it is. I am I TRY to say, yeah good try but... or you could have done this, but when the person, such as yourself Swarm, replies with "Well CivilWar is MUCH more popular than all YOUR maps, you are just jealous" (not exact quote but pretty damn close), I can't take it. You post a bad map and expect people to say OH how WONDERFUL. But if somebody says "I didn't like the original and your version is worse" then you go nutz.

Constructive? Constructive! Common sense can't be taught people...

[theswarm]

FYI, this has NOTHING to do with that. I've taken a little break from that project because the bots were being retarded anyway. :p Right now I'm starting a DOM map using the crypt package, just to show you I'm not just a map-revising n00b. Honestly I agree that anyone that JUST does that is a bad mapper, unless they're doing it to learn.
*adds SIAB to ignore list, back to topic.... :moon:

[IHopeToGod]

I can understand SIAB's frustration but let's not forget phalanx is very young ;) (at least that's what I perceive him to be). Something that seems totally obvious to one person through experience may not be obvious at all to someonelse. All phalanx has to do is "play" his maps and ask the question "why are epic's maps better than mine" or "why is personX's maps more interesting than mine"...... I will say this. Unless you are innately talented, it takes at least a week to make a decent map and maybe months to make a great map.......so take some TIME to refine your maps man :rolleyes:

[Freakish]

Originally posted by IHopeToGod
"why is personX's maps more interesting than mine"

is personX anybody? :p :moon:

[Squirrelinabox]

I HATE PERSONX most of all!!!!

[theswarm]

/me registers a second account as PersonX. :p

[Idle Idol]

Originally posted by IHopeToGod
I can understand SIAB's frustration but let's not forget phalanx is very young ;) (at least that's what I perceive him to be).

how many times do we have to cover this? hes 15, and thats PLENTY old to not act how he does.

--Idle, not so far removed

[SK TastesLike KFC]

Originally posted by Idle Idol


how many times do we have to cover this? hes 15, and thats PLENTY old to not act how he does.

--Idle, not so far removed




--Idle, believes everything he reads on the internet....


<edit>Birthday December 4, 1981

no wonder.


SKTLKFC:moon:

[StealthDP]

SIAB, I grow weary of your constant belittling remarks towards everything that you do not agree with. Please try to refrain from the personal attacks.

[SK TastesLike KFC]

Originally posted by StealthDP
SIAB, I grow weary of your constant belittling remarks towards everything that you do not agree with. Please try to refrain from the personal attacks.



Nuff Said.




Thankyouverymuch.






SKTLKFC:moon:

[Squirrelinabox]

okay, I know I shouldn't have said phalanx is a moron, I agree that I was wrong there. I was just so annoyed I had to let it out (not a valid excuse I know).

However, I believe I can honestly say I RARELY EVER say anything that resembles a personal attack. Yes I get angry and post mean things, but they are all UT related while other people come back and attack me personally, which is rediculous since the only thing we have validity in attacking is UT related.

Anywho, I apologize for the moron remark. I don't apologize for anything else. I do think phalanx is a horrible mapper, and I don't think he will understand the game elements of a good map for a long time. I think his posts are juvenile (much i mean like 10 year old juvenile not 15 year old juvenile). I think these are all acceptable remarks.

I would like to make an analogy here. If any of you have watched the American Idol show that is going on right now then I would like to compare myself to Simon. Ok, he is mean, yes. But is there truth in his statements? Just about always. Those of you that are constantly saying "stop criticising he is trying" or whatnot, are like Paula Abdul. She rarely has anything at all to say except "you did a good job".

Now think of this... these singers (think of them as mappers or ut players) entered the competition knowing they will be out there for all to judge. Now when some of the moan about Simon saying they didn't do a good job, can't anybody realize how rediculous that is? Everybody that says phalanx or whoever are doing great need to back it up. Simon said something great, he told off Paula and the others by saying they are all talk, but would they actually help out one of the singers by putting them on their radio show, or putting them as backup vocals in a song... They didn't respond, they just attacked him personally with middle school remarks.

Face it. People need to be less sensitive. I don't thinking I am changing anybody by not babying them, I am not that naive. We all agree phalanx posts too much, we all agree his maps are horrid. Why do I get flak for saying so? Yes I said he is a moron, and though I think he most likely is, I really am in no place to judge his personal abilities.

I think it is hilarious that nobody realizes that I always get attacked personally (though I really don't care) and that I just about never make personal attacks. I may make the most noise when it comes to criticism, but as I have said before, I tire of babying.

[Squirrelinabox]

Oh, one more thing...

I think it is ridiculous, yet appropriate I guess, that the winning tagline (as of now) is STFU and play. Think about that tagline ...













Still thinking? good.....











Ok just a little more thinking.....

Ok you should have come up with this thought "Oh wait, that is a retarded tagline."

You want a tagline for probably the greatest site/server out there to be UP-STFU and play? Dear god people. If that doesn't reak of "oh don't say anything to disturb the peace" then I don't know what does. So many posts about STFU and play. Hmm... lets see, I do play, and no offense but I do play pretty good. If you want to dispute that, then STFU and play against me. I know what I am talking about, I think my points have some foundation behind them. I don't mean that everything I say must be fact, but I think I have a little weight backing me up when I say my team needs to do something. You may tire of what I say, hell I tire of saying it. If I tell you I needed you to do something ingame, the truth is, I am most likely right. So when you say STFU and play, remember I am playing, and most likely doing pretty damn good.

[SK TastesLike KFC]

Originally posted by Squirrelinabox
I would like to make an analogy here. If any of you have watched the American Idol show that is going on right now then I would like to compare myself to Simon.


OK, I'm officially weirded out now.











SKTLKFC:moon:

[SK TastesLike KFC]

Originally posted by Squirrelinabox
You want a tagline for probably the greatest site/server out there to be UP-STFU and play? Dear god people. If that doesn't reak of "oh don't say anything to disturb the peace" then I don't know what does. So many posts about STFU and play. Hmm... lets see, I do play, and no offense but I do play pretty good. If you want to dispute that, then STFU and play against me. I know what I am talking about, I think my points have some foundation behind them. I don't mean that everything I say must be fact, but I think I have a little weight backing me up when I say my team needs to do something. You may tire of what I say, hell I tire of saying it. If I tell you I needed you to do something ingame, the truth is, I am most likely right. So when you say STFU and play, remember I am playing, and most likely doing pretty damn good.






holy ****.












<edit> full o' ****.





SKTLKFC:moon:

[Freakish]

Originally posted by Squirrelinabox
I would like to compare myself to Simon.

Not sexy simon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[StealthDP]

If you are the only one that thinks there is some kind of foundation behind your posts or your in game remarks, does that make them true? You are constantly telling us that what you say is what we are all thinking... are you that full of yourself?

You know nothing of what I think or believe... if you did you would stop the inane posts.

[Freakish]

Originally posted by StealthDP

You know nothing of what I think or believe...

I know who you think of!

[SK TastesLike KFC]

Originally posted by Freakish


I know who you think of!




GRANDPA STEALTH!!!!!!!









SKTLKFC:moon:

[Squirrelinabox]

Stealth I don't presume to know what you all think. I do think you all agree with me about phalanx. I also think you all agree on some other areas. I know you all disagreed with me about Kobe, and about many other areas. I do however, think that my abilities in game give me room to talk IN GAME or at least about the game. I don't think that since I am a decent player that everything I say is true. I don't think it makes me a good judge of maps, or of how smart/stupid somebody is. I do think it gives me some perspective when I say somebody doesn't play for the team.

I know I have been wrong, and will continue to be wrong when it comes to things... all things. I do also believe debates/discussions/arguements are good. I get to see what you people think. When the Kobe thing started I got to see what you all thought about the situation. I TOTALLY disagreed with just about everyone. I stated my opinion, though I was personally attacked a few times because of it, and thought it was a good discussion once we got past all the KOBE STFU AND PLAY nonsense. I respect the opinions of those that thought he should have been banned, and I see where they come from. I still think they are wrong, however.

This is now way out of hand, I guess I bring it on myself. Well, all I can say is that obviously I think I am right, hell if you don't think you are right, then you wouldn't be thinking that would you? I don't use tact, why? because this is a forum. I get to say what I think rather than hold back because I may hurt somebody's feelings. I say it how I think it is. You say how you think it is. I honestly don't want to piss people off, just as I am sure phalanx isn't trying to piss us off with his maps.

[IHopeToGod]

:dunno:

[Slain]

Squirrel - chill. let it roll off.

phalanx - just put a little thought into a map. It is an art form, treat it like one.

[Idle Idol]

Get a life SK. I dunno what the hell your problem with me is but it seems no matter what i post it has no merit to you, if thats your opinion of me fine...frankly i've never thought highly of you either. Your a hypocrit, overly cynical (and coming from me thats an insane amount) and rarely if ever post anything worth a thought. You can be funny at times, but other than trick one liners from time to time you've never added anything to a thread. Hes fifteen, going on sixteen...if you don't think THAT is old enough to

1) listen to people when they are polite and try to help you (which everyone was at frist, and some are still even today...though others have lost their patience; rightfully so.) 2) know the difference between a map and a room 3) understand that posting 60+ times a day is absurd especially when you generally say nothing in each post and 4) carry yourself with at least some degree of intelligence. Even when most people are actively trying to be spaming aggrivating tards in game or on the boards, you can tell theres an underlying at least somewhat intelligent person behind there...they are just being a tool for kicks or what not. I'd hate to have you as a father if your still babying your children at the age of 16 as we need to coddle phalanx now. And I DAMN sure don't appreciate a personal attack against ME that was not only unwarranted, but does not even have factual, circumstantial, mythological, or even comedic basis.

--Idle, nomatterwhatyoumakeyourpostlooklikeyournotunique

edit: i'd rather conversations like this be in private...but I don't feel good about having someone put me down in public without some sort of response. Thread: ignored from here on
Originally posted by SK TastesLike KFC





--Idle, believes everything he reads on the internet....


<edit>Birthday December 4, 1981

no wonder.


SKTLKFC:moon:

[phalanx]

siab stfu please you are beginnig to get on everyones nerves:moon:

[Turkish]

This post was brought to my attention......

FORESHAME

:tsk:

I don't know if its just me (Cause I woke up and read this first thing) or what......

but this is the first time I could ever remember that this forum ripped on somebody on a personal level.

I've seen people put down peoples play styles, attitudes and other things.

But actually ripping on a person on a level thats closer to home is just plain wrong......

I've played some silly, moronic maps before and I've mentioned them before. Do they last long...... NO they get voted off.

I can't understand why this couldn't have been taken in a more private area or a PM-athon vs making it openly public.

I feel this thread should be taken down to
"LACK OF SPORTSMANSHIP"

[SK TastesLike KFC]

Originally posted by Idle Idol
Thread: ignored from here on


Wrong AND short-sighted


Birthday December 4, 1981



no wonder.




SKTLKFC:moon:

[Airlea]

What has gotten into you people? Last time I checked, this was a GAME. Chances are, you'll never meet each other in real life so what's up with all the personal insults? Hmm.. maybe because the chances are some will never meet up in life! :rolleyes:

But seriously. Attacking someone's character doesn't get anything accomplished. Half the time the people on the internet are different in person anyway.

This was supposed to be a thread on helping phlanax with his maps. He may be new at making them, but at least he's trying to make them. I had one look at the editor and went "huh?". I give phalanx credit for at least trying to make maps. I know everyone gets frustrated with his posts, but maybe that's what he's looking to do. The more you vent, the more he'll respond. :dunno:

SIAB, you can rant, and you can rave and you can get so frustrated till your head explodes, but that doesn't mean Phalanx is going to do what you say or suggest. Trust me, I know this. Been playing this game with my dad for years. *grin* Think of Bart and Homer!

Phalanx will learn on his own. If you can't stand him, don't review his maps and don't post in his threads ;) Just because you found it easy to make maps at the age of 15 doesn't mean that everyone else will. Just a thought.


--Airlea Once again sticking her nose in where it doesn't belong