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radio667
09-16-2006, 01:17 PM
from abc.net.au ........... Weird spider-like creatures that live at the bottom of the ocean and use a 'straw' to suck on their prey are baffling scientists.

These sea spiders, some of which are blind, are defying scientific classification.

Marine zoologist Dr Claudia Arango of the Australian Museum in Sydney agrees they are arthropods, but which type?

She presented her research on these unusual and poorly understood animals recently at the Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research meeting in Hobart.

"They are very weird looking animals," says Arango.

For over 100 years, scientists have been puzzling over how exactly to classify sea spiders or pycnogonids.

They crawl along the bottom of the sea floor, sometimes more than 6000 to 7000 metres down, where they live in the dark, feeding on slow-moving soft-bodied sponges and sea slugs.

The creatures are segmented and have an exoskeleton, which makes them an arthropod, the same grouping as crustaceans, insects, centipedes and spiders.

But they also have a very strange collection of features, including a unique feeding structure.

"They have a proboscis that's like a straw that they insert into the animals and suck out the juices," says Arango.

Such features make it difficult to fit them into any of the known groups of arthropods.

"They look like spiders, but they are not real spiders," says Arango. "It's been very hard to place them in a position within the tree of life."

Arango has been studying the diversity and evolution of sea spiders.

She has been using DNA and morphology to construct a family tree, using 60 species of sea spiders from all over the world.


Some scientists believe that sea spiders make up a new very primitive group, at the base of the arthropod family tree.

But Arango's findings so far support another theory: that they are more closely related to the arthropod group that includes spiders and scorpions.

She stresses these are only preliminary conclusions though, and the jury remains out.

Arango says the most interesting sea spiders live in Antarctica. They are more diverse, more abundant, bigger and weirder than other sea spiders, she says.

"That makes them a very sexy and attractive fauna."

One type of Antarctic sea spider has an extra body segment giving them five pairs of legs instead of the usual four pairs.

Another type has extremely long legs spanning 70 centimetres.

Arnago says the diversity and abundance of sea spiders in Antarctica means they probably play a very important role in its ecology, although this is yet to be elucidated.

Her research has been accepted for publication in the journal Cladistics (http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/loi/CLA)



An unusual Antarctic sea spider with five pairs of legs. Its large proboscis is protruding towards the bottom of the picture (Image: Claudia Arango)

radio667
09-16-2006, 01:18 PM
This Antarctic sea spider has a 70-centimetre leg span (Image: Claudia Arango)

n3m35i5
09-16-2006, 01:27 PM
whoa, a sexy fauna? I guess she's not talking about the one in the picture.

harvesting them must be difficult. at 7000 meters, their internal body pressure is several hundreds of tons, and bringing them up too fast will cause them to explode. you could just bring them up real slow like divers coming back up from a dive, but that would take quite a long time. :scratch:

CtrlAltDestroy
09-16-2006, 01:27 PM
Looks like a cheese string. :p

Crusha_aa
09-16-2006, 04:06 PM
The first picture looks like a facehugger from the alien movies :p

Mathlete
09-16-2006, 08:45 PM
wouldnt having 5 pairs of legs make it not a spider?

SkaarjMaster
09-16-2006, 09:04 PM
Sounds like it should be a new group. My paleontology is weak, would that be Class, Order, Family or Genus?

Um, just looked it up. Looks like it would be a new Subphylum or new Class. :)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?mode=Undef&id=6656&lvl=3&p=mapview&p=has_linkout&p=blast_url&p=genome_blast&lin=f&keep=1&srchmode=1&unlock

Mathlete
09-16-2006, 09:07 PM
King Philip Cried Out "For God's Sake!"

use the acronym skaarjmaster!

SkaarjMaster
09-16-2006, 09:15 PM
OK then, KPCOFGS.;)

Hehe, nevermind, I just realized what you did. :)

cUnNiNg_StUnTs
09-18-2006, 12:11 PM
Not sure if it's related but scientist have "found" an underwater lost world

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Science/story?id=2455215

there's a video of a shark that walks on his fins and almost 60 other new species.

radio667
09-18-2006, 02:03 PM
Holy Smokes :eek: - What the Heck is going on Down there in the Ocean Floor ?? !!!

Great Post :D CS !!!!!!!

n3m35i5
09-18-2006, 03:55 PM
Holy Smokes :eek: - What the Heck is going on Down there in the Ocean Floor ?? !!!

I bet it's nothing compared to what we'll find at the center of the earth. fire-breathing lizards, here we come!

harryhash
09-18-2006, 04:30 PM
But...but...wasn't that where the Gold People lived? OH GOD, MY LIFE HAS BEEN BASED ON A LIE!!!

DeadMeatGF
09-18-2006, 04:57 PM
But...but...wasn't that where the Gold People lived? OH GOD, MY LIFE HAS BEEN BASED ON A LIE!!!No - if memory serves, and they lived on Mondas and were instrumental in defeating the Cybermen.

Carcosa
09-18-2006, 08:18 PM
I bet it's nothing compared to what we'll find at the center of the earth. fire-breathing lizards, here we come!

and to think, we know more about outer space than we do about the ocean on earth. :weird:

cUnNiNg_StUnTs
09-20-2006, 08:04 AM
I always say it's kind of arrogant of scientist to assume aliens from other worlds aren't already here.

All these life forms originated from this planet? :dunno: