OK.. Whats the deal

[NIGHTX]

ok whats the deal... i go into catylst ctf server at nite when no 1 is on just gunner and well hes always on and its like 5AM and just wanted to go in there to talk, say hi just talk basically and the 1st thing gunner says "Nightx get out, ur not allowed here at this server" .... "Youve been caught red handed for botting" "We have ur IP and ur Gibbets <w/e the hell that is>"

Ok 1st of all i would like to hear from all admins im not allowed since gunner said "All admins are aware that ur not allowed here" also i would like to see this demo of "me" botting.... Its funny im on the same IP and im not banned from that server tru IP not from Epic <which gunner says he sent demo to epic, and im suppose to be banned from UT2K7 =/......> Also use the same GUID from the start of my UT gaming and that not banned.....but mainly came here to see whats the deal.

Am i allowed at the Catylst demo server <For sum BS thing that sum dude used my tagg and botted with it, it happens all the time>?

Also would like to see this demo of the botting "evidence"

=D :rockon:

[Gunner666]

NIGHTX I will let the other admins decide what should be done about your situation. I request that you are not allowed on any of the catalyst servers.

NIGHTX if you want to see any demos of you. Email epic for the demos. In Fact, they have a few demo recordings taken by quite a few people including some admins of other servers of you botting and cheating. I'm sure epic will gladly show you. Make sure you include your IP address, Global ID located under the game tab inside of settings.






Gunner666

[NIGHTX]

Ok i never used the slime name B4 and my name is NIGHTX not KNIGHTX there are so many KNIGHTX out there, also wtf does a demmer have to do with me? ...... i think u are on the wrong thread

U will let the other admins decide what should be done about My situation. U request that Im not allowed on any of the catalyst servers. Umm its their decision not urs. I havent done anything wrong to these servers and dont even know y u brought the subject up of me not allowed at any Catylst servers. I dont even go to the CTF DEMO or TDM DEMO or 1v1 DEMO manily the 1v1 Full only reason i chill on the CTF DEmo server is the fact that alot of ppl are always on at nite. Again ill say i havent done anything wrong, then u want respect from me but, as soon as i enter a server "NIGHTX ur not allowed here" wtf kinda **** is that? sum respect....u take ur admin powers way to far. u think ur hot **** because u have admin.

Ok contact epic hmm lets c, they have better **** to do, and Gunner dont u remember when u were in Clnkilerz? Dream used my tagg as *{XCD}*NIGHTX and botted wit it because he wanted me to get banned because of jealous... Remeber MoRpH? He also botted when he was in {DT} with my tagg as NIGHTX and *{XCD}*NIGHTX, **** dude i see a guy running around with my name *{xcd}*nightx all the time on demo servers but do i give a ****.... no because if hes botting the admins should have sence to ban them and get their GUID and everything. ok back to Epic lets see if there are so called demos of me botting HOW COME I AM NOT BANNED? i use the same GUID Same IP unless im at a family members house.

Also whos the gibbest?

[Gunner666]

NightX you are definitely correct about Dream and Morph botting while aliasing as other people, such as yourself. And thats a possiblity that either one of them could be aliasing as you. I will look into it for ya and get back to ya. There has been a lot of aliasing on demo servers lately with reports of people aliasing as other players as well.





Gunner666.

[Gunner666]

NightX, I need you to email me your Email Address. My email is gunner2000@netzero.com, and my AIM is rqquint. Once I gather some info I will get it to ya. And if you wish NightX you can register to BL forums too. Lates






Gunner666

[NIGHTX]

Yo have u added my AIM is tdh146 but u may have me blocked =X wiull e-mail u later.

[Chet]

NightX you are definitely correct about Dream and Morph botting while aliasing as other people, such as yourself. And thats a possiblity that either one of them could be aliasing as you. I will look into it for ya and get back to ya. There has been a lot of aliasing on demo servers lately with reports of people aliasing as other players as well.





Gunner666.

wrong.

gunner do you ever stop telling lies about other people botting? you run around saying dream bots when there is no solid evidence besides morph botting, and hes not even in clankillerz.

[.Magus]

:blah:

Thats all I have to say.

-M

[Gunner666]

Chet I have evidence of Dream and Pasto botting and the evidence has been reported to epic and midway. Chet I suggest you do not come onto these forums bashing admins. You might find yourself in the same perdicament as NightX. Nightx has been completely banned from UT for using Clankiller Dreams cd key. Which is a violation of the EULA agreement. And since Dreams cd key had been banned, it got NIGHTX banned as well.




Gunner666

[Chet]

Chet I have evidence of Dream and Pasto botting and the evidence has been reported to epic and midway. Chet I suggest you do not come onto these forums bashing admins. You might find yourself in the same perdicament as NightX. Nightx has been completely banned from UT for using Clankiller Dreams cd key. Which is a violation of the EULA agreement. And since Dreams cd key had been banned, it got NIGHTX banned as well.




Gunner666

No. you have "evidence" of pasto botting, since anyone can take anyone elses name, in reality you dont have any hard evidence at all.

[Gunner666]

Chet? Is there something wrong with you? Do you not get the point here? Did you not read the entire thread? I suggest you go play some UT or something instead of coming here and you trying to make a point that has nothing to do with this thread OR YOU. I know you dont like me being admin and I dont care cause it does not bother me. I have fixed the problem with NightX and he is not banned from UT or from any servers. So Chet, just drop it and go play some UT.



Gunner666

[Chet]

Chet? Is there something wrong with you? Do you not get the point here? Did you not read the entire thread? I suggest you go play some UT or something instead of coming here and you trying to make a point that has nothing to do with this thread OR YOU. I know you dont like me being admin and I dont care cause it does not bother me. I have fixed the problem with NightX and he is not banned from UT or from any servers. So Chet, just drop it and go play some UT.





Actually, this thread has a lot to do with me when you accuse the leader of my team of botting.. although you have no hard evidence to back up this accusation.

Chet I have evidence of Dream and Pasto botting and the evidence has been reported to epic and midway. Chet I suggest you do not come onto these forums bashing admins. You might find yourself in the same perdicament as NightX. Nightx has been completely banned from UT for using Clankiller Dreams cd key. Which is a violation of the EULA agreement. And since Dreams cd key had been banned, it got NIGHTX banned as well.







Oh wait, so you actually threatened to get me banned off of UT? Who do you think you are, Gunner? You have admin rights to a few servers and all of a sudden you have power over the whole company of Epic? What a laugh. Your delusions of grandeur are pretty funny.

[Gunner666]

Chet I never threatened to ban you and if you would like hard evidence here it is.

Originally Posted by )ßL(°GUNNER666
Hi all I was doing my rounds from server to server and when I went to the CTF Catalyst Demo server I saw some clankillers there, especially Dream. the reason I asked Dream to leave instead of bannig him first is because of this info I collected as well as from my buddy xios whos is also an Admin/Webadmin on Supremacy.

In response to this:

http://www.teamwarfare.com/viewteam...ACLANKILLERZ%2A

I provide for you this:

Two original founders of 'CLAN KILLERZ' use the name Dream and Cloud. Both of these guys have proven themselves botting in pubs and demo servers. Below is records of such activity:


*CLNK!LRZ*DREAM
ip's used = XXX.13.96.124 , XXX.42.82.240

*CL!NKLZ*CLouD
ip's used = XXX.237.240.200 , XXX.237.243.93 , XXX.237.254.51 , XXX.237.252.143 , XXX.237.242.86

- - -
Cloud:

ip logged= (XXX.237.240.200)
botting on match id=17212556 Thu, Nov 17 2005 2:07:10 AM CTF-FaceClassic
playerid=[920670]

demo: http://rapidshare.de/files/23107351...ting.demo4.html

Start watching after about the 7:50 mark and you will see the obvious toggling of the bot and the lock-on aim from time to time. This guy also goes under the name 'Pasto', which is possibly his real name. And his ip address traces back to San Juan, Puerto Rico. I also have many screenshots in my photobucket account of him. At one point I had other demos of him botting but have somehow lost them over time. And I have also spectated him botting with full auto-aim without pause.

- - -
Dream:

ip logged= (XXX.42.82.240)
botting on match id=17212556 Sat, Jan 07, 2006, 4:11:53 PM CTF-FaceClassic

demo: http://rapidshare.de/files/23111313/dream.demo4.html

At 3:17 you will see a 180 linear snap directly to another player with the link gun, clearcut evidence of botting, as noted by the complete swaying back and forth of uncontrolled mouse movement in the previous 10 seconds of attempted link gun killing.

I also made a short clip demonstrating this in slow motion for those who prefer not to watch the demo-

http://rapidshare.de/files/23118217/d2.avi.html

Another sample provided by rawkstar shows a linear snap at the final moment of this avi (fraps codec required to watch)
demo: http://files.filefront.com/clnkilrz...;;/fileinfo.htm

I had numerous other times I caught both these guys botting, but instead of recording, I just hit the ban button as I could tell who it was just by checking the ip address when they were aliased.

- - -
Ace

I have had numerous reports of the Ace member botting as well. I have not been able to confirm this as every time I have been on the server he is aware of spectator presence and does not appear to bot. Despite this I did one time record a conversation of Ace and Dream discussing a players chance at re-gaining membership with Clan Killerz. I noticed they 'required' him to give them their cd-key to 'help' out the team. Just seems like to me even with the possibility that Ace doesnt bot, he still contribute to the cause of his clan-mates, just to maintain friendships and status. Very sad indeed.

Here is the screenshot I took a long time ago:
http://s52.photobucket.com/albums/g...ilrz_cd-key.png

- - -
Additionally at one point I decided it would be easier for me to just ban this whole clan altogether so I don't have to worry about who is botting and who is not. The fact they acquired so many members made it hard on me to know who was botting or not as these two primary botters I caught aliased over and over. They decide to im me on AIM with threats of taking over my server by botting on it and turning it into a botfest. Soon after these threats, Dream joins the server and starts botting while telling me how much fun he's having, basically not caring at all that he is being caught. Just more examples of how hardcore these people are, and my opinion they are very shady and could possibly be on TWL without anyone knowing it at first sight. I just think with all the collective evidence, this clan should not be permitted to play, regardless of some members who may claim they are legit. There is just too much against them at this point for their clans rep to even begin to say they are worthy of a clean game.

http://rapidshare.de/files/23117057...illbot.htm.html

- - -



)ßL(°Gunner666


Now chet I understand that some clankillers do not bot or cheat but most of them do. And the ones that dont bot or cheat like to create drama like what you are doing. I know only a couple of clankillers that display ameable sportsmanship which I have let play on catalyst. And chet I dont act like I have power over EPIC. I simply provide them with the necessary information needed so that they can take appropriate action against UT players who violate the EULA aggreement. Also it gives them the means to streamline the next version of UT that will be coming out. So Chet this is it. here is your proof. At this point Chet, your constant whining and complaining is not gonna get you anywhere. You need to grow up and move on. Now go away and play some UT.



Gunner666

[Chet]

Chet I never threatened to ban you and if you would like hard evidence here it is.




Now chet I understand that some clankillers do not bot or cheat but most of them do. And the ones that dont bot or cheat like to create drama like what you are doing. I know only a couple of clankillers that display ameable sportsmanship which I have let play on catalyst. And chet I dont act like I have power over EPIC. I simply provide them with the necessary information needed so that they can take appropriate action against UT players who violate the EULA aggreement. Also it gives them the means to streamline the next version of UT that will be coming out. So Chet this is it. here is your proof. At this point Chet, your constant whining and complaining is not gonna get you anywhere. You need to grow up and move on. Now go away and play some UT.



Gunner666



However, the ip Dream is supposedly botting on does not match up with any of the IPs Dream has posted on on the Clankillerz boards.. so obviously, you have demos of Ace and Pasto or Morph. Cloud= Ace and Pasto is known for botting on Dreams name, however I find it amusing that you never seem to acknowledge the fact that neither Ace nor Morph nor Pasto are in Clankillerz. I am offended by you saying that "most clankillers bot", which is an extremely ignorant statement and I think you have some real issues with admitting that you are wrong.. I can guarantee that no clankiller bots. Come back and talk to me when you have legitimate proof.

Also, the name Cloud has not been tagged to Clankillerz in a year.. so those are very old demos, and I'm sure you know about morph and pastos botting spree back then. It is a rather bad argument to bring up "evidence" that has already been debunked.

Here is a list of previously botting members:

Pasto

Ace

Morph

Goku

Done. There is your list, there are your culprits, and once again you are using a year old argument about members botting who are long gone.

[Gunner666]

Chet you dont know what your talking about. Dream can change his IP addresses and also he has tools to cheat with. Infact He has done it in the past and he continues to do it today. Thats the proof and that is that. Your leader Dream is a botter and a hacker. You do know that Dream can change his IP address don't you? You do know that I used to be in clankillers way before you were ever in clankillers and I was a leader in clankillers. That's why I left clankillers because your Leader Dream offerred me a bot and cheats and I refused and left that BS clan immediately. I'm not gonna argue with you on this anymore chet. The IP addresses you see in the evidence are the IP addresses on the dates givin and i can tell ya you were not in clankillers on these dates. go back and read it again chet. apparently you did'nt read between the lines. And make sure you look at the Demorec clips. Enough said. I'm done with your games chet. This thread was intended for NightX not Clankiller Chet. Now Go away Chet. This discussion about your Leader Dream botting and cheating is over. If Dream wants to defend himself he knows how to post on these forum boards as well as contacting Epic.


Gunner666

[Chet]

Chet you dont know what your talking about. Dream can change his IP addresses and also he has tools to cheat with. Infact He has done it in the past and he continues to do it today. Thats the proof and that is that. Your leader Dream is a botter and a hacker. You do know that Dream can change his IP address don't you? You do know that I used to be in clankillers way before you were ever in clankillers and I was a leader in clankillers. That's why I left clankillers because your Leader Dream offerred me a bot and cheats and I refused and left that BS clan immediately. I'm not gonna argue with you on this anymore chet. The IP addresses you see in the evidence are the IP addresses on the dates givin and i can tell ya you were not in clankillers on these dates. go back and read it again chet. apparently you did'nt read between the lines. And make sure you look at the Demorec clips. Enough said. I'm done with your games chet. Go away. :evil:



Gunner666


However I am absolutely sure that you are wrong. Dream has never offered me a bot, or any of the other leaders, including leaders who have been there longer then me, I have asked the other leaders if they have ever been offered a bot. This is not some sinister underground attempt to go around and accomplish something epic by going around and botting on a few servers. Dream does not even play very much, this is simply a case of someone previously botting on his name and you not accepting that fact. Also, please back up your statement of "most clankillers bot", if you think it is so true.

Enough of my games? What games? Me coming here after I thought I was unjustfully banned and seeing what the issue was? then reading some slander and false accusations made about my team, then calling people on them?

[Valis]

This isn't going anywhere guys.

Chet, ClanKillers has a reputation that extends beyond the bounds of Gunner's accusations. I've personally seen more than just 2-3 players wearing clankillers tags on our server telling people that they will 'share their hacks' as part of 'recruitment'. This was in addition to them using their 'hacks' and bot scripts on the server. I also observed these people saying that clankillers wasn't a "real clan" but rather was created to shut down servers and basically have fun at others' expense. Unless there was some conspiracy afoot to give your clan a bad name (note my sarcasm) then what I witnessed goes quite a ways towards backing up Gunner's views.

This was now some time ago, and it's possible that the vocal minority I witnessed were the instigators, and the people you've implicated and presumably removed from your clan (although there were definately more than a few people implicated in what I witnessed). We don't really have any way to determine what the 'truth' is behind your clan's goings on, but since that history is attached to the 'clan' that you now run it isn't surprising that the reputation still lingers.

Now even if the issues from the further past have been 'solved', your clan in recent history has a REALLY bad reputation for coming on the server, imbalancing teams, using the server as their private chat room, NOT playing while using legitimate player slots and being disruptive in quite a few other ways. After being repeatedly warned day after day we finally decided that we'd had enough of these antics and shifted to a ban-on-sight attitude towards your clanmates. That was 2-3 months ago.

In the last few weeks we've seen quite a few of your clannies showing up again. Even though one would think that if they know they're going to be kicked and/or banned here for wearing their tags it might make sense to use an alias, few bother to do so and just come in with their normal nick & tag. And yet we've not really been enforcing the kick/ban on you guys since the disruptive behaviour isn't an issue atm. So there really isn't currently a problem with anyone that hasn't been specifically banned for other reasons (ie, we're not enforcing bans against your clan atm).

So, let's stop the arguing over who bots and who doesn't. A bad reputation to start with coupled with continued disruptive and disrespectful behaviour (towards players, the admins and the person who pays the bills here) isn't doing any good. Continually causing issues in thread after thread here is not helping either.

We're dealing with a known poor reputation for your clan which can't be disputed (regardless of the specifics) and future behaviour will determine how players are treated from here on out. Since we're not taking action against anyone atm, I recommend you communicate to your clannies to behave themselves and I don't forsee future problems.

[Chet]

I was also told I was being temporarily banned and as far as I know I am still banned

[Ntrance]

why is chet even allowed to post on here .. :moreconf:

[Chet]

Maybe because you have these forums here to address these kinds of issues? I guess you can not handle criticism? I am not even criticizing anything but the false accusations made of Clankillerz, and the decision to ban me for a reason that I am not even aware of, yet let players like Katrina stay.


When I see some one attempting to give me a bad name, I will most likely step up and try to prove any accusations made as false.. I assume you would do the same.

[Ntrance]

This is what I think, and I will tell u who I am, I am pr0sp3ct on the servers, Ive seen. Thus far in you posts, you refuse to admit some players to bottin, I myself like I've said few times have witness diff players with clk tag bottin(wether there in now or were in past), in diffrent servers having said that. CLK as a whole now is a clan that is now known for bottin were you go wearin that tag, you will hear it from others. Like I have stated many times bottin is not a risk worth takin on any server for any porposes, bottin will get u no were and nobody in the ut community will forget when someone or clan bots belive me I been around since 2002 I can can name quite a few players that even know bottin haunts them, go to www.prounreal.com so you can see how people get laffed at and clowned all over the place just kuz a clan has 1 botter in thier clan I can name say one recent clan that had one botter, and this clan is known in the community as a strong clan with players that have been around along time no newbs there. Do you self a favor go your own way get a new name or what ever kuz where ever u go it will follow you peepz dotn forget.

[Chet]

I don't really care about getting respect in the pro-unreal community or whatever, I just dont like seeing someone like Gunner, who is obviously bitter with us, throwing out accusations as if they were high school pep-rally flyers.

And again, anyone you saw botting on the tags is one of the four I mentioned,
goku, ace, pasto, or morph, who are obsessed with us, and constantly post on our boards and even made a site completely identical to our own, without changing any information to try and insult us even.

[DeadMeatGF]

Chet - remember - these guys are paying for this server. It's not a public service, no-one other than the guy who pays the bills has any rights whatsoever. I often play on Sabby's server - if he decides to have a "No 'D' in your tag" night, that's up to him. If I don't like it, I can play elsewhere - if it really p*sses me off I don't have to go back. Or, I can change my tag for the night and play as normal. If the UP servers decide not to accept UK IPs because they're sick of jumpy players because of lag, that's also UP to them - I can't complain, I'm not paying the bills. I'm not saying this would ever happen, simply that they have that power as the owners.

If you and other Clankillers are that bothered about beating the reputation you've got, why not do it the easy way and start up a new clan.
That way you won't get the stigma attached to the tag, you can police it so you don't run into the same problems, and a good time will be had by all.
It's called a "Fresh Start" - maybe that'd be a suitable name for the clan ;)
Either that or {EMO-Whiners}
On the other hand, you can all keep this thread going - for those of us not involved it's funny as hell to keep reading it!

[Chet]

Chet - remember - these guys are paying for this server. It's not a public service, no-one other than the guy who pays the bills has any rights whatsoever. I often play on Sabby's server - if he decides to have a "No 'D' in your tag" night, that's up to him. If I don't like it, I can play elsewhere - if it really p*sses me off I don't have to go back. Or, I can change my tag for the night and play as normal. If the UP servers decide not to accept UK IPs because they're sick of jumpy players because of lag, that's also UP to them - I can't complain, I'm not paying the bills. I'm not saying this would ever happen, simply that they have that power as the owners.

If you and other Clankillers are that bothered about beating the reputation you've got, why not do it the easy way and start up a new clan.
That way you won't get the stigma attached to the tag, you can police it so you don't run into the same problems, and a good time will be had by all.
It's called a "Fresh Start" - maybe that'd be a suitable name for the clan ;)
Either that or {EMO-Whiners}
On the other hand, you can all keep this thread going - for those of us not involved it's funny as hell to keep reading it!


What does them "paying the bills" have to do with anything? Regardless of that, its an open server, and I have never seen it closed

[.Magus]

Huntr owns it, we admin it. Thats where payin' the bills comes into play. (All thanks to Huntr in the first place. :))

Its because he owns the servers, is the reason why he can make us or anyone else do what he wants. As always we have the choice to leave but in the end he has the last say no matter what.

-M

[EDIT]
HAHAHA!!! Nice one DeadMeat! I completely missed that! :hammer:

[HuntrCker]

Maybe because you have these forums here to address these kinds of issues? I guess you can not handle criticism? I am not even criticizing anything but the false accusations made of Clankillerz, and the decision to ban me for a reason that I am not even aware of, yet let players like Katrina stay.


When I see some one attempting to give me a bad name, I will most likely step up and try to prove any accusations made as false.. I assume you would do the same.Bingo - these (UP) forums are public as are the CATALYST servers - all patrons are welcome as Chet reiterated below. Perhaps the subject material is better off dealt with in a more private fashion but as long as there is interest in re-hashing, albeit publically, the ban policy on the ClanKillers (from all interested and non-partisan parties), this thread shall remain unlocked.

[Gunner]Please refrain from asking patrons (banned or not) to take it elsewhere. Either deal with the issue privately, or deal with it here publically. Chet is merely cherry-picking sections of your posts in order to antagonize you with reasonably simplified responses. Also since this issue spans quite a bit of time including when you were a member of the clan in question (from what I gather from this thread), the subjectiveness of your responses will be in question.

[Chet]Your rhetoric is becoming blase, and your underlying goal is becoming obvious. Please either take this issue private or keep it to a single thread. Hasn't ennui set in yet from reviving threads that has Clankiller/Gunner content and inducing responses from CATALYST Admins? The mention of Katrina brings a touch of deja vous.

Interesting as all this may well be for some, I just ran outta personal time. Ciao.

[DeadMeatGF]

What does them "paying the bills" have to do with anything? Regardless of that, its an open server, and I have never seen it closed
I'll try and explain myself in simple terms, in case you're actually genuinely stupid, and not being deliberately obtuse.

I have a driveway, for the purpose of parking my car.
It's my driveway, for my car, although there's room for two or three cars on it.
I own the driveway.
If people come to my house to visit me, I let them park on it. That doesn't mean they now have the right to park on it whenever they feel like it.
I've got a mate with an old knackered car - it leaks oil all the time. I don't want my nice expensive drive wrecking, so he's not allowed to park on it even if he's visiting me. If he doesn't like it, he doesn't have to visit me.
I can't physically stop him, without putting lockable gates on the drive, but if he parks there without permission I can ask him nicely - less nicely if that doesn't work, and ultimately if he keeps doing it, I can call the police. At that point I can get an injunction to make it illegal for him to park that car on my drive. If he buys a car that doesn't leak oil on my drive, he can start parking on it.

Now - to explain.
In this little tale, the driveway is the Catalyst server, I am the owner of said server.
The locakable gates would be a password on the server, the police are the admins.
Clankillers are the inconsiderate "friend" who won't stop parking their oily car on my drive.
The injunction is the server ban.
Replacing the car is forming a new clan where botters are banned.

Now do you understand?

[River]

I'll try and explain myself in simple terms, in case you're actually genuinely stupid, and not being deliberately obtuse.


Thanks for taking the time to write that up. But I don't think he's going to understand..... :loopy:

[Chet]

Thanks for taking the time to write that up. But I don't think he's going to understand..... :loopy:

Are you the owner of the server, Deadmeat? If the server is open in the public servers list in the UT filters then it is obviously available for anyone to play on it.

And River, your post was just idiotic, obviously you have nothing to add to this thread so your just going to try to insult me.

[«ø»Ace«ø»]

wow... ok Im tired of my name getting thrown around in here as if I bot. I dont Bot Have NEVER botted AND will NEVER bot. u see unlike clankillerz who i was with for way to long. I dont agree with the actions of having botters and leaders who bot. Dream Is a botter and will always be a botter. Me i try to stick mostly to full servers with anti cheat seeing how i changed my name and bought a new game i left clankillerz in the past and they still bring up my name because i left.... was i really that important to u guys? was i really that big of a blow to leave? i bet u really miss me huh? cause almost all of ur post have my name in them. glad to know that u remember me and that u love my name so much. But really STFU about me i have nothing to do with CK and there Botters. LEAVE ME OUT OF IT!

[Chet]

wow... ok Im tired of my name getting thrown around in here as if I bot. I dont Bot Have NEVER botted AND will NEVER bot. u see unlike clankillerz who i was with for way to long. I dont agree with the actions of having botters and leaders who bot. Dream Is a botter and will always be a botter. Me i try to stick mostly to full servers with anti cheat seeing how i changed my name and bought a new game i left clankillerz in the past and they still bring up my name because i left.... was i really that important to u guys? was i really that big of a blow to leave? i bet u really miss me huh? cause almost all of ur post have my name in them. glad to know that u remember me and that u love my name so much. But really STFU about me i have nothing to do with CK and there Botters. LEAVE ME OUT OF IT!

Remember the time there was a fake Anima on Catalyst 1V1 Ace? And you wanted to 1v1 him, but you figured out he was botting, then turned on your bot to combat his? Although I will say that that is the only time I saw you bot, but it is still botting

[Valis]

Round & Round it goes. How about this chet, send your current ip to the catalyst server admin email: catalyst.ut2004@gmail.com and we'll look into why the ban was placed initially and whether or not your access can be restored.

Other than that, your 'clanmates' will be dealt with based on their behaviour as well. If someone else has been banned, they can email us and ask for us to review the ban.

[Hypnotized]

Are they even a clan? More of a group collective aren't they? Isnt it a waste of time discussing a group that isnt even competitive on ladders? Don't people know that "clankillers" is a joke(as Valis alluded to)? Shouldnt this thread be closed? Have I asked enough questions?

[Chet]

Are they even a clan? More of a group collective aren't they? Isnt it a waste of time discussing a group that isnt even competitive on ladders? Don't people know that "clankillers" is a joke(as Valis alluded to)? Shouldnt this thread be closed? Have I asked enough questions?

We do not care about ladders or "Pro unreal forums respect". And no, we are not a clan.

Once again, we have a shining example of a post simply made to antagonize me/flame me... obviously since you have no way to insult me in any other way besides "lawl u r a joke", I don't really take much offense.

I urge you to figure out something worthwhile to say before posting in this thread, or just don't post in it.

And if you have doubts that it was a "temporary" ban then here is a quote from the post of the one who "temporarily" banned me:

Chet, the reason for the temporary ban is to let you realize and understand that playing on servers is a privilege.

[DeadMeatGF]

Thanks for taking the time to write that up. But I don't think he's going to understand.....

I'm sure this will help clear things up

Are you the owner of the server, Deadmeat? If the server is open in the public servers list in the UT filters then it is obviously available for anyone to play on it.



And River, your post was just idiotic, obviously you have nothing to add to this thread so your just going to try to insult me.

Ah, clearly not.

Once again, we have a shining example of a post simply made to antagonize me/flame me... obviously since you have no way to insult me in any other way besides "lawl u r a joke", I don't really take much offense.

Hmmm - pot, kettle?



Chet, stop being so obtuse. For the last time, it is NOT a public server. It is a private server that the owner has very kindly made avaiable to the public who will follow his/her rules. That is not, and never will be the same as a public server.



Chet, the reason for the temporary ban is to let you realize and understand that playing on servers is a privilege.



You post this as a quote to justify your argument?

Your attitude stinks, and you clearly have not learned that this is a privilege, so I think that everyone except you completely understands why you're still banned.

/me stops wasting my time
/me signs off

[Chet]

However once again, the server is on the public servers list.

" Pot,kettle? " What? Where in this thread did I make a response post to somebody using an insult that wasnt related to the issue at hand? Where did i even insult somebody? He basically said " Your a joke so I dont care", where did I make a post akin to that one?

I posted the quote from "OhyeahBB" because it had the words " Temporary" and "Ban" right after it, but I am still not unbanned, just because he said this or that or whatever really doesn't have any relevance to your argument, I made a long post right after I got that ban, I suggest you read it so you have a clue of the circumstances.

http://www.unrealplayground.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41469

[Valis]

The server is on the public servers list, but it is privately owned and hence access to the server is at the discretion of the owner rather than a 'right'. Since Huntr is a busy guy he's appointed admins to help him. Since we needed a place to all talk we tossed these forums into the mix, which are also privately owned & managed (and access is not a right here either btw).

HuntrCkr has outlined his rules clearly here (http://www.unrealplayground.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41243) and also stated that his rules are in place to help insure the public enjoyment of the servers. As OhYeah also pointed out in the thread you linked, you were banned under rule number 4, and possibly rules 2 & 5 as well. A "Temporary ban" issued for misbehaviour is reviewed at the admins' (and owner's) discretion.

In short, we've noted your request for review. In the meantime there's plenty of servers and games out there.

[Dorkorama]

However once again, the server is on the public servers list.Epic does not refer to servers visible on the advertised server list as public servers. At best, "public server" ia a widely used misnomer for publicly advertised / useable servers.
However, HuntrCker did refer to the CATALYST servers as "public" in this thread, so this is mainly an informative gesture as I don't feel like trying to post an interpretation in such a heated thread.

[River]

Told ya he wouldn't get it. However it doesn't matter. Huntr has given us the servers to watch over and maintain by his rules, and that's what we're doing. Why so much fuss over a temporary ban anyhow?

“Comprehension is not a requisite of corporation.”

[Chet]

Told ya he wouldn't get it. However it doesn't matter. Huntr has given us the servers to watch over and maintain by his rules, and that's what we're doing. Why so much fuss over a temporary ban anyhow?

“Comprehension is not a requisite of corporation.”

Obviously you did not read the link that I posted. It seems that you are the one not getting it, the temporary ban has been in effect for 2 months. And I will reiterate that I think I was unfairly banned.

[Hypnotized]

Chet....did the admins forget to check with you on teh definition of "temporary"?

Ok enough with the smart ass remarks...did some one clarify with you the timetable for you for allowing you access? AS it seems like once BB informed you it was a temporary ban...the logical next step would be to inquire what he meant by "temporary" or maybe some conditions required to shorten the temporary period. Obviously, this is just the opinion of one pubber, but your behavior in this post-just goin by general human nature-would not have any admins scrambling to unban you.Again-IMO-speaking for myself...

[Ntrance]

I dunno but enuff whining chet, simply put.. put up your own server, you pay and dictate who u want playin in your server. Like many have stated there is plenty other servers where u can play. Stop the whining.

[Chet]

I dunno but enuff whining chet, simply put.. put up your own server, you pay and dictate who u want playin in your server. Like many have stated there is plenty other servers where u can play. Stop the whining.

Oh yeah, "stop the whining" real mature there, Ntrance. There will always be somebody like River or Deadmeat around trying to insult me, and I don't think that I have been overly disrespectful except to my hecklers. The reason I started posting here again was when Gunner, who is obviously bitter started throwing around accusations, blaming Clankillerz for "botting" on Nightx' name.

[.Magus]

He emailed me his IP and I don't even see it on any banlist on any of the Catalyst servers than I admin. So unless if he was banned with another nick that I don't recognize then he should be able to play at the moment... :/

-M

[Chet]

He emailed me his IP and I don't even see it on any banlist on any of the Catalyst servers than I admin. So unless if he was banned with another nick that I don't recognize then he should be able to play at the moment... :/

-M

I am positive that I am banned on Catalyst CTF.

Based on the info filed by the admin, I believe the temporary ban placed on you was warranted. The intention of the ban is to let all sides cool off, discuss the ban as objectively as possible, and to move forward to a resolution. Since this discussion is in a public forum, with input from other community members, please do not be tempted into flaming. Thx for your consideration.

Let both sides cool off eh.. for 2 months... "Temporary ban" was said many times in that thread as well.

Ahh, I remember you Ntrance, you're the one that made this post:


Ok well just to fill ya all in, Ive had a runnin with many members in this clan .. I mainly play 1v1 and have played/spec'd these guys most of which have bots during the 1v1's had vs them , other members of thier clan that are watchin the match have told the person I am playing agaisnt (clankillrs member) to turn on thier bot, and i could confirm this by lookin at the chat window in webadmin so I know I am not makin any of this up,,, some of them bot, I and have seen it my self while 1v1'n them have turned the bot on while playin me and still losing. Funny eh.

Bitter indeed, I just love pretentious slander.

[DeadMeatGF]

Bitter indeed, I just love pretentious slander.
You mean Libel.
Slander's spoken.
Libel's written or recorded.

Sorry, I just couldn't resist that one.

[Chet]

Umm, okay.

[Chet]

what ever happened with that review

[Ntrance]

lawl and if u do decide to register at prounreal.. look at this
http://prounreal.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=65660

[HuntrCker]

what ever happened with that reviewThe review has been completed by the CTF admins and your ban has been lifted as of this morning.