The Number One reason NOT to get Windows Vista?

[Dorkorama]

:loopy: It just makes you want to puke knowing that you could literally be stuck with Microsoft for the rest of eternity :
http://www.itarchitectmag.com/shared/article/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=AFBFKFZAOLPXYQSNDBCSKHSCJUMEKJVN?articleId=174400783
First came Windows Rights Management Services (RMS). Digital Rights Management (DRM) is always bad, and it just doesn't go well with business data. Losing the keys to the DRM store could lock an organization out of all its data. Windows Server 2003 Security Services was next. This is Microsoft's cornerstone for the Trusted Computing model, which is about setting up an extended PKI infrastructure. What you do with it is supposedly your business. Microsoft likes to use the infrastructure to promote DRM, restricting where data goes and how it gets used. What's most suspicious about it is the ability of the service to extend beyond the corporate network to business partners. Once one trading partner decides to use the technology, all must participate or be left out.

[elwood]

You mean, number one reason to get Linux, or some other free (as in speech) Operating System. Apple does trusted computing and DRM as well as Microsoft does, and any other private software vendor is gonna do the same thing. It's nice to think its just Microsoft, but if everything turns out like Michael Labelle thinks it will, the real winners will be the Open Source folks.

[perfect_dark]

Microsoft Vista is just one more reason google should hurry up and realease google linux.Not only that like most upgrades and new releases from windows means non of your software will work anymore.
SP2 for instance.

[perfect_dark]

woops

[Angel_Mapper]

Microsoft Vista is just one more reason google should hurry up and realease google linux.Not only that like most upgrades and new releases from windows means non of your software will work anymore.
SP2 for instance.Forget software, my friggin computer can't get to the desktop with SP2 installed! :loopy:

[perfect_dark]

Forget software, my friggin computer can't get to the desktop with SP2 installed! :loopy:

SP2 proof that Bill Gates is in league with the devil :sour:

[Dorkorama]

Forget software, my friggin computer can't get to the desktop with SP2 installed! :loopy:I hadn't noticed a thread in the Software / Hardware Troubleshooting sub-forum.

You mean, number one reason to get Linux, or some other free (as in speech) Operating System. Apple does trusted computing and DRM as well as Microsoft does, and any other private software vendor is gonna do the same thing. It's nice to think its just Microsoft, but if everything turns out like Michael Labelle thinks it will, the real winners will be the Open Source folks.No, I don't mean going to Linux, specifically. In my case I'll be stuck with XP, seemingly for the rest of eternity, even if virtualized. Yes, there's some junk in there, but mostly circumventable, and my data isn't being locked up. In fact, it's my high valuing of transportable data that has steered many of my software decisions.

Personally, I have been looking at going to a BSD over Linux. Linux is still shooting itself in the foot with a clunky interface and garbledeegook accronyms for application names that are immemorable. (Not everything, but the vast majority.) Drivers are another issue, but that's out of developers hands for the most part, and plagues nearly all non-MS operating systems.

[perfect_dark]

"Personally, I have been looking at going to a BSD over Linux. Linux is still shooting itself in the foot with a clunky interface and garbledeegook accronyms for application names that are immemorable. (Not everything, but the vast majority.) Drivers are another issue, but that's out of developers hands for the most part, and plagues nearly all non-MS operating systems."

I agree i use both but Drivers are the only issue for me.Having to build drivers to operate USB device's is pain in the a**.

[Kel]

Nah, the #1 reason not to get windows vista is windows vista

[elwood]

Yeah, the various BSD's are another good example of a popular and robust free operating system. I don't know that linux has all of those problems, or to the severity you seem to think they exist. In general, install any of the major Linux distributions and you can go about your way without too much trouble. Drivers really aren't that huge of an issue, unless you have some bleeding edge hardware or some really old obscure stuff. Most of the major hardware has pretty good driver support, and the linux community is generally pretty good support in itself.

[1_LoSt_TaLiBaN]

Personally, I have been looking at going to a BSD over Linux. Linux is still shooting itself in the foot with a clunky interface and garbledeegook accronyms for application names that are immemorable. (Not everything, but the vast majority.) Drivers are another issue, but that's out of developers hands for the most part, and plagues nearly all non-MS operating systems.

Clunky interface? Do you mean from the commandline or from a GUI perspective?

because depending on what shell you choose for yourself? csh tcsh ksh bash etc., its going to be the same for either BSD or linux, again depending if you do go the WM/Desktop route..... KDE GNOME Enlightenment fluxbox etc, will be the same on both....

OpenSource application names will always be crazy, just because there are way too many choices, you can't simply name 100 different projects Photo/image editor. Again most major projects are ported for BSDs so the name thing will remain, and most of the core applications for BSD are core applications for linux systems, so the names will be the same.

Drivers will always be an issue as the specs for the device either have to be released to developers, have to be reverse engineered, or have wrapper written for the m$ driver. Honestly I havent come across to many driver issues except with obscure hardware, altho ATIs GFX drivers have been falling behind with the addition of the newer cards, nVidia is the way to go under linux atm.



I agree i use both but Drivers are the only issue for me.Having to build drivers to operate USB device's is pain in the a**.

Having to build drivers for USB devices under linux?


$ cd /usr/src/linux
$ make menuconfig


then goto the proper drivers and select them using the M key for module

exit menuconfig

for 2.6 kernels

$ make && make modules_install

for 2.4 kernels

$ make dep && make bzImage modules modules_install


done!

you don't have to build usb drivers

just compile them into your kernel

[elwood]

Tali's the new *nix expert, if he says it, then it must be true. It seems like tali's building a new linux machine every other day, and I imagine he's got linux installs down to a science.

[krazy_darcy]

:loopy: It just makes you want to puke knowing that you could literally be stuck with Microsoft for the rest of eternity :
http://www.itarchitectmag.com/shared/article/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=AFBFKFZAOLPXYQSNDBCSKHSCJUMEKJVN?articleId=174400783

These DRM stuff leaves me concerned especialy as I use Photoshop Elements 2 to create my composit and manipulate digital hpotos to create artwork in my spare time. There is at least 6GB photographic resources on my machine at the moment and continually growing. Add to that scans of all my drawings I have filed in clearfile-pocket folders and the final versions of my digital artwork.

I have my way of working and arrainging my files (doesn't include the "my documents" folder either). And I will not be dictated to by any OS as to where my files go.

[elwood]

Exactly, I know how I like to do things on my computer, and I don't want Microsoft or anyone else telling me how to do it better. Like the new control panel in Windows XP, I think its one of the worst things ever, and it pisses me off to no end. Fortunately, they have the button right there to go back to the original view, but it seems like Vista is going to be the next big step in doing things the "Microsoft way", and who knows if you'll be able to make it behave how you want it to. Certainly, you won't with DRM, so lets just hope not all hardware manufacturers hop on the DRM bandwagon and require you to run a DRM-enabled OS to use their hardware.

[n3m35i5]

uh, hate to sound dumb, but what exactly is this DRM you speak of? you make it sound like Microsoft has a bad database management system, and it's difficult not only to move info but also too easy to get locked out, but I've never had an experience like that.

in any case there's more than adequate reason for me to stick with XP. I barely updated from 98 in the first place ;)

[Aquablue]

My most irritating moment after installing SP2... Restarting the PC after the install, getting to my desktop only to have Windows freak out, spouting messages similar to "OMGGGG!!!!! NOES!!!!! WINDOWS CAN'T FIND AN INSTALLED FIREWALL!!!@@!@@##!!! AND NOT A VIRUSSCANNER EITHER!!!@!$!! YOU'RE GONNA DIEE!@!!!@!!##!!#!#$!!! WE'RE ALL DOOOMED!@!!!@@!@ AAAAHHHH!!!!@@@"

Windows keeps pissing me off more and more... I hate the "Do it the Microsoft way because it's like, you know, better (and allows us more control over what you do and gives us more money)" tendency. Lets just hope it isn't as bad as it seems to be. :moreconf:

[n3m35i5]

[rain-on-parade] it's as bad as it seems. [/rain-on-parade]