What do you think?

[Jim Grimsby]

What do you think a bout games that you take your time putting up on either your front-page or your message site that don't keep the scores?
I know that I have got a lot of negative responses to this! And I have wrote the companies letting them know that we give them free advertisement and I really don't feel that we get anything in return!
If you were to place an add on my front-page it would cost you $50 a month I think these companies are getting free advertisement and we're not getting anything in return!

How do you feel about this?

Jim Grimsby

aka

BigFoot48us

[Angel_Mapper]

If it worked that way we'd all be millionaires and game companies would be going out of business.

No.

[Jim Grimsby]

If it worked that way we'd all be millionaires and game companies would be going out of business.

No.

So you think it is ok for them to do that?

[Angel_Mapper]

Do what?

[Jim Grimsby]

Do what?

I have 130 games online that you play at no cost ot the user I have 17 games that you can play that doesn't keep the score I feel if your advertising the game and the companies name they should give you a game that keeps the score for the user. I don't feel that they are that you take the time to play the game and get a good score and the game doesn't save for your!

Even UT2004 give you a server that you can put up for FREE

[Kingster]

I think that what we need is a bit more information, Jim. Give us some examples of what you're talking about... We're gonna need it to give you a better answer than what you've gotten. :)

[Angel_Mapper]

I have 17 games that you can play that doesn't keep the scoreI have no idea what you mean by that, and I don't understand the connection between "keeping the score" and advertising.

[Berjj]

I'm just as confused.. :weird:

[Jim Grimsby]

I think that what we need is a bit more information, Jim. Give us some examples of what you're talking about... We're gonna need it to give you a better answer than what you've gotten. :)

Hi Kingster

OK let he tried to explain it this way I have 130 games that you can play online free of charge that did not costing anything some of those games have advertisements for the company and the programmer that wrote the game I have 17 games that are up and they have advertisements for the company but they don't keep the score I think if you're given the company free advertisement they should give you game that at least keeps the score. I was just wondering if it was me that was thinking this way or are there other users out there that fill the same way! They're really not giving anything up when you put it on your board and you advertise for them there get in that for free? I don't feel that the user should spend their time trying to get a higher score and the game not say that. Trying not to advertise my board if you would take a look at it you will see what I meen. I guess I'm just a little frustrated.

Thank you!

[godIZme]

Hi Kingster

OK let he tried to explain it this way I have 130 games that you can play online free of charge that did not costing anything some of those games have advertisements for the company and the programmer that wrote the game I have 17 games that are up and they have advertisements for the company but they don't keep the score I think if you're given the company free advertisement they should give you game that at least keeps the score. I was just wondering if it was me that was thinking this way or are there other users out there that fill the same way! They're really not giving anything up when you put it on your board and you advertise for them there get in that for free? I don't feel that the user should spend their time trying to get a higher score and the game not say that. Trying not to advertise my board if you would take a look at it you will see what I meen. I guess I'm just a little frustrated.

Thank you!


Sorry but ......... :scratch: ..... :dunno:

[Jim Grimsby]

Sorry I'm not trying to confuse anybody I just thought I would ask a question.

[Spiff]

well i meanthey provide the game as it is, you surely bought it knowing the limitations. The providers of the game probably havent done anything dishonest here.

But ill agree there are a lot of dodgy net games out there

[Dorkorama]

Grimsby; are you confuing the credits for advertisement? Almost nobody / no group will work on a project for years and release it without putting their name on it.

You think it's unfair to have to pay for running a server instead of the game company? Possibly, but think about all that requires and the pitfalls.
The company needs to make enough revenue to purchase servers, the electricity to run them, the Internet connections to, the staff to correct any problems that may occur (call center / message board, administrators, technical staff), and any licensing fees for technologies that they rent from other companies.
That's a lot of money.

Also, tthey need to try to prevent cheating.
Many games can only be monitored for cheating by using servers directly in contorl of the company, hence paying for all of those expense listed above. To pay for it they charge more for the game and often entail a monthly fee. On top of that they tend to put in CD-Keys and copy protection to prevent the cheaters from getting in through loopholes, which tends to just be a pain to the gamers.

Oh, and when the company is tired of supporting the game (read, newer games have stolen their audience) then you can't play it anymore.


OR
You can put the task of runing and maintaining the servers in the hands of the community.
Each player only needs to purchase the game, which tends to go down in price as do single-player games. The company runs a few game servers so people can try it out as well as a master server to direct people using an in-game server browser
Groups can set up the servers, paying for the hosting. The advantage is that each server can be customized with new content by the community, have more scrutiny by the group running it than a company could possibly do. faster reactions to problems, a generally tighter knit group, and the game doesn't die simply because the company cannot profit from it any longer.

So, yes, it may cost $40 to $120 to pay for running the a game server (depends on the game and number of players) but you are afforded control over it. IF you really look hard and ask around enough you may find places willing to pay for hosting, in whole or in part, in turn for advertising space on a related site or a small blurb in-game.

[Jim Grimsby]

well i meanthey provide the game as it is, you surely bought it knowing the limitations. The providers of the game probably havent done anything dishonest here.

But ill agree there are a lot of dodgy net games out there

I will admit they did nothing wrong! But I do feel when they say the game is free if you have a web site. Then the should be free and it is somewhat. Here's what I have a problem with they give you the game for free they put their advertisement in the game therefore you are advertising for them and that should be worse something. You take the time to put it on your site and it looks good but now you find out that it will not keep the score for the users. Even if the user spends 15 minutes playing the game to get a high score or to get any kind of score the game should save it. Why play the game if you can't compete? Even if they would say we will give you a game if you have a web site at a discount price and let them have their advertisement in it but be fully functional now that I would not have a problem with.

[Jim Grimsby]

Grimsby; are you confuing the credits for advertisement? Almost nobody / no group will work on a project for years and release it without putting their name on it.
No I am not talking about credits. And yes I believe that the author should get paid for there games! I am talking about flash games that you can put on your web site and users can sign in and can play the game. You spent a lot of your time writing the HTML code for the game just to find out it will not save the scores! Now not only you have time involved by writing the script for the users to play the game but the user has time involved playing the game and it doesn't save the score! So why play the game if you can not compete? If they would offer it to you at a discount rate and be fully functional I would not have a problem with that! But they give you the impression that it is free if you have a web site all you have to do is downloaded. They don't mention that it will not save the scores and they put their advertisement in the game so you are advertising for them for nothing.

[Angel_Mapper]

You get what you pay for. :scratch:

I don't see high scores as being that big of a deal.

[Jim Grimsby]

You get what you pay for. :scratch:

I don't see high scores as being that big of a deal.

Would you play UT if it did not keep your stats? You enjoy the game because of competition is that not a true statement. And flash authors did not offer the game for free you would not expected to be fully functional when they mention if you have a web site! I don't mind paying for what I use as I mentioned before you give them free advertisement you should expect something for your time and your users time. And that's just one man's opinion. That's why i put it on here to see what you guy's think about it.

[Angel_Mapper]

No, I do not play UT because of the competition, and I could care less about stats.

If you don't like Flash games that don't keep your score, why are you putting them on your site?

[Jim Grimsby]

No, I do not play UT because of the competition, and I could care less about stats.

If you don't like Flash games that don't keep your score, why are you putting them on your site?

When I put them on the Web site I did not know that the game would not keep there scores. And I originally put them on their for my grandson. I don't have a problem with flash games. It when I feel that they mislead you when I have a problem.

[CJHobbes]

I don't even know where to begin....maybe a brick wall and some cheetohs.

[Spiffness]

http://forumspam.articblue.nl/thread_related/thread_sucks/images/0496.jpg

[Jim Grimsby]

I don't even know where to begin....maybe a brick wall and some cheetohs.

Actually I think I will be taken them down it is just a lot of work to do so. I spend about 4 1/2 hours put them up! But thank you for the post!

[Jim Grimsby]

http://forumspam.articblue.nl/thread_related/thread_sucks/images/0496.jpg

I enjoyed your reply

[Kingster]

Alllllll righty then. I'm finally getting the gist of what you have going on. It took some poking around on your website to do it, but the lightbulb finally came on.

Let me see if I can reiterate what you are complaining about:

You have installed some flash based games on your phpBB board. You are upset that the ones that are free (provided you install the games on your site) advertise themselves, but yet don't offer the ability to track scores. Have I stated that correctly?

I'm going to answer you based on that assumption:
Let's say I am a developer (though all these people here would laugh at me if I actually said that!). I am willing to give you my game for free for use on your site. Now since these are flash-based games, and do not require the consumer to purchase a client, where do I get my revenue to continue making these games? I need to direct people to my website, where they can click on some ads, or donate via PayPal, etc.

This is outside the realm of the UT's of the world, as they generate a revenue stream based on sales of the client - not the server... So, while they give the server away, they're going to make the money on the client.

That being said... Stats? Hmmm... For Flash-based, you could prolly code it in, if you really wanted to... You just have to buy Macromedia (sorry - Adobe) Director, or whatever it is.

[Jim Grimsby]

Boy you hit the nail right on the head that's exactly what I'm upset about.
I don't mind their advertisement but they should make the game fully functional.
And yes I could go in to the code and fix it and make it work but I just won't do that. Coding I'm good at I have talked to the author and he said if I modified it in any way he would be more than happy to sue me so I don't think I will do that one

Also just to let you know I took the server down to my sons House and with any luck he should have it up and running by this coming week if all goes well!
Thank you for all your time and patience that you gave me on the server.

If you ever need any expertise in my field please don't hesitate to ask I will be more than happy to help you. I can program in c++ Fortran and more.

Thank you

Jim

[Tachyon]

I'm just as confused.. :weird:


Yeah me too. Someone tell me what this dude is talkin about.


Wait, scratch that. I think i know what he is talkin about.

[Jim Grimsby]

about 32 years ago when I was going to school my teacher told me that programmers don't write very good documentation and he was absolutely right.

I am talking about games that are on my board written in a flash program. Most of the games on the board will save the scores when a user plays them I have about 17 programs that don't save the scores.

Maybe if you visited my board you would understand what I'm talking about.

Jim

[Kingster]

Maybe if you visited my board you would understand what I'm talking about.Just so you know... I had a hard time "finding" the gmaes on the board - the only place they exist is in a small link at the top near your profile and sontrol panel links. Once you click on that, they show up as "forums", but to really draw attention to them, there should be a bigger link to them, maybe more along the lines of a "parent" forum or falling under the "Games on the board" category.

[Jim Grimsby]

Just so you know... I had a hard time "finding" the gmaes on the board - the only place they exist is in a small link at the top near your profile and sontrol panel links. Once you click on that, they show up as "forums", but to really draw attention to them, there should be a bigger link to them, maybe more along the lines of a "parent" forum or falling under the "Games on the board" category.

You know that's a good idea I never thought about that one I shall work on that today. let you know when I have it done.

[Tachyon]

Maybe if you visited my board you would understand what I'm talking about.



Could you be so kind as to give me a link? Im quite interested in this conversation.

Thanks.

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si :D

[niX]

http://forumspam.articblue.nl/thread_related/thread_sucks/images/0496.jpg
lol ahahah lol
i was just looking for one of those!

[Jim Grimsby]

Could you be so kind as to give me a link? Im quite interested in this conversation.

Thanks.

Here's the link that you requested

http://www.all2un1.com/phpBB2/index.php

Enjoy posting messages and playing the game have FUN!!
And if you see something I could do better let me know! There's a little icon at the top of the page for the game! I'm going to try to work on this today to put a bigger icon so it will be more noticeable where the games are!

Jim

[Jim Grimsby]

lol ahahah lol
i was just looking for one of those!

Well now that you found it start working out.

Have a good day!!

[Jim Grimsby]

']si :D

Thank you for the post!

[Jim Grimsby]

Just so you know... I had a hard time "finding" the gmaes on the board - the only place they exist is in a small link at the top near your profile and sontrol panel links. Once you click on that, they show up as "forums", but to really draw attention to them, there should be a bigger link to them, maybe more along the lines of a "parent" forum or falling under the "Games on the board" category.

Ok Kingster i fix that when you have the time take a look at it and let me know what you think!! If you have a better icon I would appreciate it if you can e-mail to me!!

Have a good one!!

Thank You

[Jim Grimsby]

Sorry but ......... :scratch: ..... :dunno:

Here take a look at it and you will get it have fun playing the games it you so desire.

http://www.all2un1.com/phpBB2/index.php

Thank you