Aliens vs. Predator

[Acid Factor]

Woot! Finally a movie that will be worth seeing this summer! Where do I start, I have been a pretty big fan of both series' (mainly the Alien series) for nearly 10 years (since I was a little 5 year-old). To quote the director of Aliens vs. Predator, "to see both the Alien and the Predator in the same frame sends chills down my spine", I would definitely agree on that.

Where do I start, the plot! From message boards, chatrooms and the obvious movie trailer, I can tell you that this movie will be full of action. I do believe the year is set to the modern day, a satellite owned by Weyland corporation (the creators of Bishop) finds a pyramid in Antartica. Charles Bishop Weyland (the president of the company) sends an expedition team down to Antartica including himself to find out facts about the pyramid. When they enter the pyramid, they find the remains of human skeletons with holes inside their chests (the chestburster). As they continue on, they realize they are lost inside the pyramid so they must stick together. Here is the unclear part that I am assuming happens, they run into Alien eggs (which contain face-huggers). A few people get infected and impregnated and are pretty much alien bursting time bombs. Now, they run into three teenage Predators who are hunting them down in order to be Blooded (a complicated thing to explain, it is kind of like getting baptized). While the team is fighting of the Predators, the Alien drones come into have some fun too and there is an all out war. As the the tag-line for the movie says "whoever wins... we lose" I think will be the outcome, though I know for sure Charles Weyland will survive or his company cannot go on without him and Bishop cannot be created.

Just by watching trailers, I found a plot gap. The plot gap is, how is the real Charles Bishop Weyland alive if in Alien 3 at the end, Bishop's creator a.k.a Charles Bishop Weyland was there begging Ripley not to commit suicide? It has to be a plot gap because there is over a 300 year difference between the two movies. My only logical explanation to this is either it is a clone of Charles Weyland, a decent of the Weyland family that somehow looks like Charles Weyland or the Charles Weyland we saw in Alien 3 was really just another Bishop and was lying to Ripley. So confusing...

Anyways, I am looking forward to this movie and you will find me watching it in the theatres on August 13th (its release date for North America). Even though it will probably get a rated R rating, I will still get in, even if that means sneaking in. If you want to find more information about the movie, go to the movie's official website, www.avp-movie.com, they have really good behind the scene trailers there. I have already started re-reading my Alien vs. Predator novels in preperation of the movie. Now, what do you think of the movie? And no, it will not be another Freddy vs. Jason!

[[Asgard]_Thor]

Just by watching trailers, I found a plot gap. The plot gap is, how is the real Charles Bishop Weyland alive if in Alien 3 at the end, Bishop's creator a.k.a Charles Bishop Weyland was there begging Ripley not to commit suicide? It has to be a plot gap because there is over a 300 year difference between the two movies

Yes you can´t say for sure that it was the real Bishop at all. Perhaps it was just a clone but then there is also the question - how could the original Bishop live 300 years later... Hm as far as I know this movie takes place in near future (eg not after Alien ressurrection) - so Bishop semms to be alive...

Well I´m a huge fan of the Alien series since beginning of 2002 when I got internet and such with my new PC. Before that I saw the Alien movies and was fascinated by this creature. So I played AvP 1 for a long time.
When I got internet I also found out soon, that there´s lots `bout AvP and such there are Figures and Comics out there and also a quite big community in America. So within the time I got more and more AvP fan and today I´m AvP addicted as you may see on the photos (http://mitglied.lycos.de/stevethepro/img/almerch5.jpg) here and here (http://mitglied.lycos.de/stevethepro/img/almerch1.jpg) [these photos are 2 months old .. having lots of new stuff alright]

I´m definatelly looking forward to that movie but these guys from fox haven´t done anything AvP releated in my country at all. Haven´t seen any Posters or comercials yet ... really sad. But I wish everyone who can enjoy that movie in cinemas really great phun with it.

[Acid Factor]

Just by watching trailers, I found a plot gap. The plot gap is, how is the real Charles Bishop Weyland alive if in Alien 3 at the end, Bishop's creator a.k.a Charles Bishop Weyland was there begging Ripley not to commit suicide? It has to be a plot gap because there is over a 300 year difference between the two movies

Yes you can´t say for sure that it was the real Bishop at all. Perhaps it was just a clone but then there is also the question - how could the original Bishop live 300 years later... Hm as far as I know this movie takes place in near future (eg not after Alien ressurrection) - so Bishop semms to be alive...

It was Charles Bishop Weyland, or so the man claims to be, which brings in my theory of the second Bishop impersonating his creator, thus he was lying to Ripley. Charles Weyland couldn't live 300 years later because I don't think it is possible for an average human to exceed the age of 100 years old let alone 300 years old.

[Berjj]

I don't really know what to think about the movie. I've only seen alien1 and alien2 and also the last 30 mins of aliens: ressuruction.

Since I was a little boy and first saw the face of alien it fascinated me! I really loved monsters back then and that face was unlike I had ever seen. I'll never forget that moment...
I saw the first two movies a few months ago and they really impressed me! They weren't what I had thought they would be, they were creepty, funny and very thrilling. Two of the best movies I've ever seen definately! But the fourth movie? I was greatly dissapointed... That was no thrilling movie, it was an extremely bloody action movie. I'm not that kinda person who whines as fast there's a drop of blood on-screen but this was too much! It wasn't fun to watch! And there was absolutely nothing with this movie that reminded me of the first movies.

I have played the demo for AVP and it was a great game for sure! The problem is, I panick and spray the walls with bullets at random as fast as the motion detector starts bleeping!

[Acid Factor]

But the fourth movie? I was greatly dissapointed... That was no thrilling movie, it was an extremely bloody action movie. I'm not that kinda person who whines as fast there's a drop of blood on-screen but this was too much! It wasn't fun to watch! And there was absolutely nothing with this movie that reminded me of the first movies.

Man, if you though Alien Ressurection sucked then you definitely must not see Alien 3, it was the worst of the quadrilogy by far! There wasn't lots of shooting, actually nearly none at all except for the end primarily because the characters weren't armed with guns since they were in a prison facility.

I'll have to diagree with you on Alien Ressurection though. Alien Ressurection wasn't the worst move of the four, but definitely not the best either, mainly because I didn't feel any fear during the movie like I felt in the first two (especially the first one). In Ressurection, they characters were armed, they had combat experience (not with the aliens, but they were still tough) and ontop of that they had Ripley who was half alien/half human and could kick the **** out of a drone with ease. Also, they had a possible escape route which was getting off the U.S.M Auriga with the Betty. In the first movie, nobody knew what the hell this alien was, how quickly it grew and how deadly/merciless it was. In the second movie, it was quite similar except the marines were involved, fully armed and had combat experience, but not with "bugs". Also, they had an intelligent android assisting them (Bishop), which helped them a lot.

Also, on updates for Alien vs. Predator, my best friend who is a movie fanatic says it's going to suck because they are changing the director and also this movie is technically based off a video game (in my experience, video game moves suck). This isn't really interesting news, but when he predicts his moves critiques, they're right about 95% of the time. Let's just hope that 5% takes over for this movie. :moreconf:

[HisDivineShadow]

"It's about time" was my initial thought when I first saw the ad. I remember waiting for it years ago. Especially since the last few Pred/Alien films were kinda bleh. I'm looking foward to it though and if it's successful I'll expect to see the inevitable Alien/Predator/Terminator crossover film put together. :weird:

[Berjj]

A movie doesn't need action or shooting to be good.A movie needs "feeling!"
I believe the first two alien movies had this crrpey feeling. I could feel a chill going down my spine the first time I saw the aliens lair.(However, that's nothing compared to the game the first time I saw the lair and relized I had to enter it! I thought I would die for real!) What gave the alien movies this nice feeling was that there was "something" out there, you don't quiete know what or where. You don't know it's background, it's purpose or anything. All you know is that it's there and it's greatest wish is to put an end to your miserable life the most painful way...

Alien is one of the movies you MUST see at least once in your life.

[Count Nosferatu]

I can safely say that the "Bishop" in Alien 3 was NOT the real guy - he gets battered around the head with a metal pole and doesn't flinch. If you note his ear as he's finally calling out to Ripley it is loose and certainly not human like. There is also no blood.

Alien 3 was the least best of all the films... lacked the style, plausibility [I mean a colony of religious convicts and face huggers that could trip the system... puhleez] and little touches [e.g. Aliens 2 with the population count.... symbolic as thats the amount of aliens that are there (-1 if you take away Newt)].

And I'm surprised noone goes on about the Predators... which IMO are far more... entertaining than the Aliens.

I don't think this film will be any good... wasn't it by the same guy who screwed up Alien Resurrection?

I'll play the games instead :)

[radio667]

i really hope the movie is good ..but the director paul anderson directed movies that i think are just ok - 2 1/2 star movies : Resident Evil (2002) - Soldier (1998) - Event Horizon (1997) - Mortal Kombat (1995) :(

[SuperApe]

This one sure has been hyped for a while.
All I know is this:

If this thing takes off, then a trend that started with King Kong vs. Godzilla and picked up decades later with Freddy vs. Jason, will continue with:

Jaws vs Anaconda
Mrs. Doubtfire vs. Tootsie
Scooby-Doo vs Garfield
Deep Impact vs Armgeddon
Finding Nemo vs SharkTale (coming soon)

[radio667]

LOl :D Da ApeMan Pwnz !!!!!!!

[teppic]

theres gonna be minimal plot and maximum carnage.

time to get the popcorn i reckon :)

[radio667]

Holy Smokes ...i might have jumped the gun on AVP ...check out the new trailer :D WOW - I GOT TO SEE THIS MOVIE !! http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/a/alienvspredator.php

[Spiff]

ooh does look quite good...that trailer was maybe a bit too revealing though

[Count Nosferatu]

I could yet change my mind on this....

[Count Nosferatu]

Man, if you though Alien Ressurection sucked then you definitely must not see Alien 3, it was the worst of the quadrilogy by far! There wasn't lots of shooting, actually nearly none at all except for the end primarily because the characters weren't armed with guns since they were in a prison facility.

I don't know... I hated it when I first saw it... I found it all a bit too cheesy [oh everyone dies but Ripley, oh we're on a religious colony... oh suddenley there's eggs... ohh there's a crash]. But, when one ahs seen a ****e film one eventually questions it and thinks "was it that bad in the first place?" in many a case that is true... until I did the mistake of watching Alien 3 again.

Alien3 is actually a much deeper film than you'd imagine. Escape these cheesy plot gaps and the numerous problems which bugged the film [not least that the Alien couldn't make up his mind over being an Oxburster or a Dogburster] and you'll see that it is a very sober and melancholy film which is as human as Alien, more human than the uber macho Aliens [but dont' get me wrong... its a classic nonetheless] and much darker and more meaningful than the piece of ****e that was Resurrection. It was far subtler than the two previous films [we are left superficially guessing as to whether Bishop was an andriod... although if you look closely you'll see otherwise], and I find more poignant. Ripley isn't on the run any more... going on a rambo style alien rampage.... she IS the Alien and its not the chestburster [which forms the convenient subplot] but her who is the instrument of doom.

The 3 films capture perfectly the Birth Life and Death of the Alien... with Resurrection being a very stupid and overserious reading. Given the Freudian context of Alien, Alien3 fitted in very nicely, moreso than Alien even - here is Ripley, killer of aliens who is now the mother of one as she would a child, and that will eventually kill her. In the third film we escape the "company company bad bad" theme and explore this Freudian concept much more - the lack of an Android shows that much.

But if you escape the subtle themes and plots you'll. I liked Dillon very much... not because I am some God Squad die hard Xian fanatic but because he strikes me as a very human inhuman... a tough as nails convict who is inspirational... yet has not fully overcome his demon. The rest of the convicts were nondescript, the doctor included IMO... but he really made the film for me

Enough soap box ranting though...


Also, on updates for Alien vs. Predator, my best friend who is a movie fanatic says it's going to suck because they are changing the director and also this movie is technically based off a video game (in my experience, video game moves suck).

Dunno about that... AVP as a game was a mindless shoot 'em up... you didn't care about plot, story or characterisation, you cared about living [and honour if you're a pred]. AVP2 expanded on this [losing a lot of atmosphere at the same time] into a plausible story but it was only a very minor one - Major gets owned by pred, goes nuts and screws everyone around. Pred wants his spine nomatter what. Weyland wants their Aliens. Alien wants sex. We're all happy... except for the poor sods in the middle.

This isn't really interesting news, but when he predicts his moves critiques, they're right about 95% of the time. Let's just hope that 5% takes over for this movie. :moreconf:

Dunno if you think about it it could offer some very valid plot fillers for the first films - why Weyland Yutani was so interested in Alien specimens for bioweapons [to protect humanity from the greater threat], the truth behind Bishop and perhaps even an answer as to the origins of the Alien

[Berjj]

Is there no media player version? I don't have quicktime. :rolleyes:

[Angel_of_Death]

y dont u just DL quicktime

[Acid Factor]

Alien3 is actually a much deeper film than you'd imagine. Escape these cheesy plot gaps and the numerous problems which bugged the film [not least that the Alien couldn't make up his mind over being an Oxburster or a Dogburster] and you'll see that it is a very sober and melancholy film which is as human as Alien, more human than the uber macho Aliens [but dont' get me wrong... its a classic nonetheless] and much darker and more meaningful than the piece of ****e that was Resurrection. It was far subtler than the two previous films [we are left superficially guessing as to whether Bishop was an andriod... although if you look closely you'll see otherwise], and I find more poignant. Ripley isn't on the run any more... going on a rambo style alien rampage.... she IS the Alien and its not the chestburster [which forms the convenient subplot] but her who is the instrument of doom.
You're right on that part, my dad thought Alien 3 lacked on the action and the plot gaps were nasty, but he said that the plot was very deep, I agreed, but don't forget the other movies had deep plots also. I also believe Alien: Ressurection should never have been made, they should of just stuck to the Trilogy, Ripley's dead, leave her dead.

Dunno if you think about it it could offer some very valid plot fillers for the first films - why Weyland Yutani was so interested in Alien specimens for bioweapons [to protect humanity from the greater threat], the truth behind Bishop and perhaps even an answer as to the origins of the Alien
Weyland/Yutani was so interested in Aliens as bioweapons because look at Ripley in Alien: Ressurection. She was faster, stronger than a human and not to mention could regenerate her minor wounds (the knife through the hand... ouch). Think about it, an army full of trained Ripley's (Alien: Ressurection ones) vs. regular humans, one could take out the army let alone an army of them. This is where the comics kick in, in one of them (I forget the issue name) an athlete was looking for a chemical called fire which was somewhat like a steroid except much better and much more efficient, in the end they went to an alien planet to get it which leads to all the dangers, blah, blah, blah... As for the origin of the aliens, I have no concrete answer, but just speculations, actually speculation. My speculation is in the first movie the facehugger eggs were found in some sort of spaceship. A chatroom rumour told me that the spaceship was a human spaceship that was carrying a nest of the aliens. The aliens got out of hand, burnt a whole through the hull (Alien: Ressurection style), ship crashes and the crew is overun by aliens.

As for other news on the movie... I have nothing excpet for the known fact that I will definitely be watching it on August 13th. I do have one question though, does anybody know the rating it is going to get? I know that Canada's rating is usually a rating lighter that than the States', but in a movie like this they may both be rated R... oh well I'll just sneak in. ****, my time is running out on the Library computer so I will have to go (my regular computer is currently being upgraded by me so I haven't been posting as much). I'll be posting normally hopefully by tommorow. Seeya!

[MortalPlague]

I'm very much looking forward to this one. I'm a huge fan of the Alien movies, with the second being my favourite by a long shot. I haven't seen the Predator movies; I intend to see at least the first one before I go see AvP. But I have played both games, and the culture and the whole predator persona has never seemed to be as cool or interesting as the Alien race. I'll be rooting for the Aliens in this film. :D

And of course, I'll root for lots of violence in the middle. :p

[Count Nosferatu]

You're right on that part, my dad thought Alien 3 lacked on the action and the plot gaps were nasty, but he said that the plot was very deep, I agreed, but don't forget the other movies had deep plots also. I also believe Alien: Ressurection should never have been made, they should of just stuck to the Trilogy, Ripley's dead, leave her dead.

Yep very true... my sentiments exactly.

Weyland/Yutani was so interested in Aliens as bioweapons because look at Ripley in Alien: Ressurection. She was faster, stronger than a human and not to mention could regenerate her minor wounds (the knife through the hand... ouch). Think about it, an army full of trained Ripley's (Alien: Ressurection ones) vs. regular humans, one could take out the army let alone an army of them. This is where the comics kick in, in one of them (I forget the issue name) an athlete was looking for a chemical called fire which was somewhat like a steroid except much better and much more efficient, in the end they went to an alien planet to get it which leads to all the dangers, blah, blah, blah... As for the origin of the aliens, I have no concrete answer, but just speculations, actually speculation. My speculation is in the first movie the facehugger eggs were found in some sort of spaceship. A chatroom rumour told me that the spaceship was a human spaceship that was carrying a nest of the aliens. The aliens got out of hand, burnt a whole through the hull (Alien: Ressurection style), ship crashes and the crew is overun by aliens.


I don't think that the spacehip on the Colony was a human vessel - the person was several times larger than the people looking at it and structurally the ship is alien. I think it was an alien ship which got infected by Aliens and crash landed. But this must have been centuries even millenia ago...

Well I think AvP will be a good film, esp after watching the trailer since, by tying in the two plots it creates perfectly feasible explanations as to WHY they want superweapons. Weyland Yutani seem to be obsessed in the first 4 films to get a weapon so devastatingly powerful and yet if you look at the rest of the galaxy in general it is peaceful - to the extent that they can sacrifice a squad of marines and a vessel just to get an alien sample. Yet they are desperate for aliens... to the extent that they'd jeopardise Earth and everyone they know. Why?

This film COULD offer us a perfectly viable reason - the Predators. It seems that, if the 2 plots Predator and Alien intertwine with this film, Man will win the fight in this film - indeed no Predators appear in the Alien series and Earth is perfectly safe. So the Predators will die or escape [the trailer shows one detonating his charge] and so will the Queen.

That leaves the Company.

I reckon the Predators will scare the humans sufficiently to find any - Aliens can be contained in a planet but Predators are mobile and a constant threat to humanity [with guns... but I don't think they'd know that given that they all have guns in the trailer] and, given the Hive nature of their activities can be controlled easier than the honour hungry Predators.

I also reckon Bishop gets facehugged. Thus, as well as look for a weapon to fight Predators, is looking for a cure for his disease [maybe an alien miscarriage or maybe he has a dormant chestburster which can't be disturbed lest he dies]. That partially explains Bishop's personal obsession with the Alien and the fact that he could survive 300 odd years.

But its all conjecture... lets see what happens on August 13th :D

As for other news on the movie... I have nothing excpet for the known fact that I will definitely be watching it on August 13th. I do have one question though, does anybody know the rating it is going to get?

I'd imagine an Rating R in US & 18 in UK... although they haven't decided on a rating yet [from the website]

[teppic]

i think its quite amusing how people can have such huge posts over a "sit back, escape reality, lots of guns and shooting" movie...

people! you are not supposed to think! just grab the pop corn!

[Count Nosferatu]

i think its quite amusing how people can have such huge posts over a "sit back, escape reality, lots of guns and shooting" movie...

people! you are not supposed to think! just grab the pop corn!

You... you... you mean that its only a movie?!?!??

Christ... everything... gone my life has collapsed around me :(