View Full Version : Voodoo3, XP, UT
04-06-2002, 10:06 AM
Man, i am sick of trying to figure this one out.
UT will not open full screen, stays in window.
I have installed the lastest drivers for he voodoo. 3 times.
I have installed glide3x and 2x. But still no deal.
I have changed the compatability to Windows 98. Still not good.
When I have. If I run win xp compatability it says I need the glide2x.dll. I install it - I get an error. If I run it in 98 compatability it runs but only in a window with the 3x.dll. help.:mad:
I hope one of you does not say: you just gotta check the box that says "run full screen" or some crap like that.:rolleyes:
04-06-2002, 11:45 AM
Did you check out the link I sent you? The one I had used was a little different, but I remember you had to follow the instructions exactly; I will look again to see if I can find the stuff I used. It worked really well, I just had to do it a couple of times cause I don't follow directions well.:rolleyes:
04-06-2002, 11:51 AM
Slain, you may have to change video cards, I dont know for sure. I just loaded up a system with XP, and finally got all the drivers, and shut down all the things not needed.
I am using a POS ATI Radeon VE 32mb aka. Radeon 7000. it was cheap, and I did not want to pull my GeForce2 out of another system.(did not know if I would like XP)
I just loaded up UT set in d3d 1024X768 32bit medium texture, low actor, no problem full screen. The Radeon Looks Great, little choppy, may drop to 16bit. or drop detail. I still have to do all the other UT Tweaks first.
Maybe someone can loan you a Video card to try.
04-06-2002, 11:59 AM
stealth - Yah, I did it exactly like the instructions read. Deleted the current drivers and installed them manually from the manager. I did it a few times. The Voodoo is working great. It's just UT now. I am pretty sure it has to do with Glide support for XP. I guess by default XP does not support it. Do you have UT on that machine? But, it could be a possibity that it is the voodoo.
thanks for that link by the way.
A while back someone posted a link to wicked GL does anyone have a free version?
The game can't expand to full screen cuz glide runs the full screen mode?
thanks - Mofoco
04-06-2002, 12:24 PM
I forgot to mention that I did get un-able to copy .dll (s) errors when installing 3dfx tools. But, i read something on the web that said to bypass the error's. Did you get any stealth?
04-06-2002, 12:40 PM
No, I did not get those. I found some more info on this site; check out the forums...
They seem to have a better driver set... here is a snippet from one of their forums:
For anyone having trouble installing the driver, I finally got the bastard in. First off, reboot into save mode. You know the old F8 key? Hopefully not too many of you XP owners have had to do that already. Load up your control panel > system > device manager.......hit the old plus sign next to display adapters, and click uninstall, remove, delete whatever. Next go to your C:\windows\system32 folder and delete all files that begin with 3dfx, glide, and opengl32.dll Reboot. Your system will automatically install the XP default driver. After doing that right click on your desktop, click properties > settings > advanced > adapter tab > properties > driver tab > update driver. Click install from a list or specific location. Click don't search I will choose the driver to install. Click have disk, and go to your C:\Documents and Settings\(administrator or your name)\Local Settings\Temp\x3dfx_V5_WinXP_1.08.04 folder or wherever you put the driver. When warned that its not certified install anyways, and when it asks if you want to overwrite the newer files YOU MUST OVERWRITE ALL NEWER FILES!
On the driver page, there is a link to the 1.08.04 drivers for XP; on that page there is some helpful tidbits. I noticed someone mentioning setting "force full screen" in the 3dfx tools, and lot of peeps talking about having probs installing those tools. There are a couple of solutions posted there regarding the installation of those tools. Did you get the 3dfx tools working?
04-06-2002, 12:42 PM
Oh, and yes, UT works fine... I need to reinstall that system from scratch again, so I will let you know if I come up with any additional info...
04-06-2002, 02:21 PM
This is gonna be twice I helped you out in a day...
I had some probs with the same thing... so I started tearing aprt DLLs and installs until I found what worked. So here it is. All zipped up nice and neat for ya...
Get it here. (http://andykingsfamily.tripod.com/downloads/3dfx_XP_Drivers.zip)
This will also be taken down shortly and the shortcut removed. PM or e-mail me once you have it.
04-06-2002, 02:24 PM
You didn't fool with the advanced graphics settings recently did you? I know that when I fooled with mine, and turned one option on, UT never started fullscreenuntil I turned it off again.
I wish I remembered exactly which option it was..it was under D3D for me; if you're not using D3D then a similar option might be under your section too..
So..run UT, bring up the console and type preferences.
Go down to Rendering and choose the subtree with your rendering device. Start from the bottom of the list, turning off one entry, going back to UT to see if it's fullscreen, then trying the next entry. I say bottom of the list b/c I remember that's where it was..
Edit: found the option..it's Use 32bitZBuffer. Perhaps it's something with my graphics card, but if I turn it to False, all is well..turn it to True and UT only runs windowed. If yours is set to true, after you change it, the UT window might not maximize itself automatically..so do it yourself and then restart UT to get rid of the stupid extra pointer iconyou might have.
Hope this was your problem..
04-06-2002, 08:19 PM
well, the saga continues. I am back to a problem that I was having before. I can't even boot my PC with the voodoo in. When I do, I can't even see my desktop. It's either black or it's a bunch of little red lines. If I boot the machine with an old ATI in, it works fine. I just need to get a new card. F all this.
04-06-2002, 08:25 PM
Smell a GF4 coming soon?
04-06-2002, 09:13 PM
The drivers I posted didn't help?
Hrm. I have no probs on my old Gateway with that set. I was having the exact same prob you were (with UT not running full screen) with it... Then... Like I said... I tore apart installs and got the DLL's and stuff that worked with XP.
Sorry dude. You know how to get into safe mode, right? You should be able to fix all that from there... Unless the vid card is actually starting to die on you.
04-06-2002, 09:57 PM
even when I boot to safe mode it is all wacked. It's all jumbled and I can't see anything. I wanted to try your stuff, but I can't even get to it if I have the voodoo running.
It was doing this when I first insalled XP. Then it just started working. I haden't even installed the new drivers yet. Then I rebooted today and it started doing it again. I don't know, it's on crack. I will try some stuff again tonight.
Thanks for all your help.
Anyone want to trade a brand new, out of the box, custom UT level for a GEForce 4 64m card? lol
04-07-2002, 05:05 AM
I think there is some incompatibility between WindowsXP and your voodoo. I think I installed this voodoo3 driver program last:
You might need to get some special patch for XP. I had a similar problem with a Matrox card and UT and NT at work, not to mention the jumbly video screen. New video drivers fixed the problem...And you are running UT under glide right?
Get rid of windowsXP - hehe.
Anyway you have no choice but to upgrade to something like Geforce4 if you want to play the upcoming sequel UT2k and other games. Just remember there is some confusion surrounding the types of GF4 cards where one of the GF4 is not as powerful as its predecessor GF3
As a last ditch effort uninstall all voodoo drivers, before attempting to reinstall voodoo drivers - this is a must for voodoo3 to avoid running into problems. Then if u want, remove the voodoo3 card from your system and reboot with your old ATi card.
Then shutdown and install the voodoo3 card.....this time using the latest v3 drivers..........What a pain .:rolleyes:
04-07-2002, 10:00 AM
You're having fun now, aren't ya!!
I'm glad I didn't have the probs you are with the V3 and XP. Damn. I think that I would do something like IHTGTM said: swap vid card to a very basic vid card like your old ATI or anything... WinXP will detect and install at the minimum basic drivers... THen completely remove V3 drivers (Delete files and all)... Then install new set that I sent you... Then swap cards again and see how it works...
[Shrug] Worth a shot, but what a pain in the arse.
04-07-2002, 12:01 PM
Glad you are all helping him out..Slain good luck. If this was me..I'd die :eek:
04-07-2002, 05:22 PM
Voodoo 3 3500 works fine here. I just went to http://www.voodoofiles.com/type.asp?cat_id=1 and selected a 3rd party driver for Voodoo 3.
I think i had to get to the 3rd or 4th page to find any full set of voodoo 3 drivers.
XP autodetected the voodoo, but didnt include the glide2x.dll (or whatever it is) so UT wouldnt run full screen. Thats when I installed the 3rd party drivers and all was well.
The only problems I have seen in UT is that after awhile the ESC key will minimize UT instead of bringing up the menu ..which may be a voodoo 3 driver related issue or not.. im not sure.
Oh, and also.. Glide under WinXP seems to display darker than under Windows 98. I had to get a program called "Powerstrip"..available here:
I use a hot key to increase the brightness during the game. Having brightness turned all the way up in UT and on my monitor wasn't enough. Weird. But this little program saved the day.
04-08-2002, 07:35 PM
Bought a GEForce 4 today. Seems to be real nice.
Now...on to the sound problems with UT :rolleyes: I thought I notice some thread in here about that.
04-08-2002, 09:08 PM
ahhhh...that was rough. Me feel better now.
anyone got any optimizing tips?
04-08-2002, 09:31 PM
Go to www.voodoofiles.com and download NVidia tool called GTU.(GeForce Tweak Utility) This will help optimize your video. Which card did you get?
04-08-2002, 09:40 PM
xtasy mx420 64mb
wanted the better one, but 50 bucks more. Hope I made the right choice.
05-03-2002, 12:29 PM
I think in the long run maybe not:
Here is what Toms Hardware had to say when the MX's just came out:
"For those guys, NVIDIA is introducing GeForce4 MX, a product that is a derivative of GeForce2 and missing the funky features of GeForce3 or GeForce4 Ti. "
"If you can chose between a GeForce3 card and a GeForce4 MX card for similar prices, I would clearly go for the GeForce3! "
"When you look at the three different GeForce4 MX offerings, it is easy to see that the low-end version, the GeForce4 MX420, will be a product for OEMs only. Its 166 MHz SDRAM memory will slow down the performance of the GeForce4 MX chip so much that it will hardly perform any better than previous GeForce2 MX400 cards that you can get for a mere 50 bucks.
The performance of the GeForce4 MX440 and 460 cards, however, proved to be very impressive. Especially the GeForce4 MX460, which is able to score results as high as those of the GeForce3 Ti200, or even the Ti500 cards. Both are able to beat ATi's Radeon 7500 in most cases.
Still, none of the GeForce4 MX cards has full DirectX 8.x support, because of its lack of vertex and pixel shaders. This weighs heavily when you remember the lowest priced offering out of the GeForce4 Ti bunch of cards. It's only $20 more than GeForce4 MX460.
I therefore suggest the GeForce4 MX440 for value buyers, but they should try to get the price down to less than $149. Better yet, a value buyer should watch out for GeForce3 cards. Any GeForce3 card that costs less than $190 is a bargain right now. GeForce3 comes with full DirectX 8.x functionality, vertex/pixel shaders and lots of 3D power! If you can chose between a GeForce3 card and a GeForce4 MX card for similar prices, I would clearly go for the GeForce3! "
But on the bright side. Its much better than voodoo3 for upcoming games of course.........
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