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outdoor

02-21-2002, 05:05 AM

arugh.
A few months before, i was using Windows 98se..... and playing UT online with it...... i duno why sometimes while playing your mouse suddenly stops moving (and keyboard keys also)......... but the game is still going! i tried pressing Ctrl + Alt + End to end the program, but the keyboard froze also. Then, it automatically quitted and the stupid window saying 'the program performed an unexpected operation.... blah blah wtf....." and it says that my KERNEL32.dll is casuing the problems...

fine. i dumped my old pc and bought a new one with winXP. SAME FREAKIN PROBLEM HAPPENED! except it didn't show the program error.... only the 'error reporting' window..... but the mouse and keyboard froze!! pls help!!!!!!

ps: if ya see me just standing there while playing (without moving) you guys now know why:mad:

Phanataz

02-21-2002, 08:00 AM

When you bought the new pc.. are you sure NOTHING from the old PC was put into the new pic? Sound card? Video card?

You need to give more details about whats in the new PC. A far fetched answer to your problem is maybe you have some sort of power surge issue with the plug outlet you are plugging your computer into.

What sorts of programs are you running in the background while playing UT?

outdoor

02-21-2002, 08:07 AM

well. here are my specs...
old pc:
PIII 550E Mhz 128Mb SD RAM
SIS mother board
crappy video card (i think it was SIS also)
windows 98se

progs installed: icq, ultraedit, photoshop, flash, dreamweaver, palm desktop software, office xp, fifa, quicktime, morpheus, openmg jukebox, realplayer.... uh can't think of anymore

new pc:
P4 1.5Ghz 256 RD RAM
Asus motherboard (fergot which serial no)
GeForce 2 Mx400 w/ 64mb Ram
windows XP pro

progs installed: all of above list plus: lightwave, acrobat reader 5, cyberlink DvD, and some of my palm applications...

things i run while playing ut: icq, IE (internet explorer)
i haf no idea why it just frozed.

Phanataz

02-21-2002, 08:43 AM

How often does it happen? Sometimes UT just will crap out for no reason. Happens to me from time to time.

Are there any other problems with other applications locking up on you?

Try making sure you have very little running in the background as possible while running UT. I never have ICQ open during UT.

I hear F7's footsteps.. he'll be able to give you 200 things you can do to optimize your computer :D

outdoor

02-21-2002, 08:47 AM

it happens often..... not ALL the time, but mostly everytime....

s'like when playing after 5 + games this stupid problem comes to haunt me:mad:

thx for the tip phan.... however, i'd tried to quit everything before i start UT, and same thing happened:(

_F7_

02-21-2002, 09:23 AM

Mobo drivers. Update them :) Flash your BIOS to the current version. Especially since you're using WinXP. Chances are there are at least 2 new BIOS's that have been released by Asus since you got your PC. Figure out which motherboard you have and let me know. I'll let you know how to flash your BIOS if you're not comfortable with it.

Also like Phan said, close out EVERYTHING when playing UT. Shut down ICQ and IE.

I recall seeing somewhere a tweak with the MX version of GeForce2. Let me see what I can dig up.

This problem actually happens to me as well sometimes. It's not a common occurence, more of a random happenstance. There's nothing to do but reboot.

I have noticed however that since updating my BIOS to the latest release, I haven't had this problem in quite a while.

Zinia

02-21-2002, 09:46 AM

Go to www.voodoofiles.com and download the most recent GTU program. That is a GeForce Tweak Utility program that helps the stability and is customizable.
Look under NVidia Card Tools,the Beta version is what I use and it works fine.

Also I have the best luck with 22.80 drivers for the( 3 )GeForce cards I'm running.

Pink Pony

02-21-2002, 10:54 AM

Are what some of you are saying is that you've been able to stop UT from crashing? If so, that is an amazing accomplishment.

I always figured that UT was just an unstable game. I've had the above mentioned freezes (where the game works, but all input stops), crashes that don't seem to affect the OS (but leave an error message box, which is usually never the same), and all manner of weirdness. Since this has happened on 2 seperate computers, neither of which shared any of the same hardware, and using Win 98, 2000, and XP, I had to assume the problem was game related. I've updated drivers, flashed the BIOS, increased cooling, downloaded registy fixes, and swapped vid cards, and have never had UT be all that stable. I assume I'm not the only one to have problems, judging by how many people seem to be doing well, only to leave the game and then log back in right away.

The only thing that has given me any relief was to start taking screenshots of the error messages. Me and Britney were collecting them so that we could send 100 or so to Epic and ask them so have them analized(sic?).:)

Kingster

02-21-2002, 11:27 AM

I don't know what the hell I have done... But I don't have problems like you folks at all.

Even on my old PC, it works like a champ. So I have two boxes up and running stable...

OLD -
Gateway P3-450 (Tabor mobo if anyone cares - it's Gateway)
384MB RAM
3dfx Voodoo 3 3K
SB Live Value
WinXP (Win2000 previously - no issues other than sound probs while waiting for Win2K drivers)

NEW -
ASUS mobo - A7V266-E/AA
AMD XP1900+
512MB RAM
ATI Radeon 8500
Audigy Platinum

Sure... I get the occasional error (maybe 1 out of every 300 maps), but those are pretty common in the UT world. I restart the game (not the box) and it runs just fine (provided I can get back into the Playground... :) ). None of the crap that you guys get.

Maybe I'm lucky?

Fl[e]ck

02-21-2002, 11:35 AM

You know, I had those same problems with my old box PIII600, Rage Pro vid. I couldn't play two games in a row online or off without crashing. I switched over to a AMD 1.13 w/Voodoo 5 and it only crashes about once every 40 or so games. I attribute the new stability to the AMD (course the voodoo doesn't hurt). Does anyone think this makes a difference, the AMD vs. Pentium? Just curious.

Ghost_Recon

02-21-2002, 01:32 PM

_F7_

02-21-2002, 03:33 PM

What mobo do you have GR?

Phanataz

02-21-2002, 06:46 PM

Also, what version of UT are you running? It should be version 4.36

outdoor

02-21-2002, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by _F7_
Mobo drivers. Update them :) Flash your BIOS to the current version. Especially since you're using WinXP. Chances are there are at least 2 new BIOS's that have been released by Asus since you got your PC. Figure out which motherboard you have and let me know. I'll let you know how to flash your BIOS if you're not comfortable with it.

Also like Phan said, close out EVERYTHING when playing UT. Shut down ICQ and IE.

I recall seeing somewhere a tweak with the MX version of GeForce2. Let me see what I can dig up.

This problem actually happens to me as well sometimes. It's not a common occurence, more of a random happenstance. There's nothing to do but reboot.

I have noticed however that since updating my BIOS to the latest release, I haven't had this problem in quite a while.

I'll hafta check it at home... i'm now at school now (slacking hehe).... thanks F7 fer the help

Phan:
yes i just updated to version 436... same thing happened...

kingster:
when you mean crash, do you mean that your mouse and keyboard froze while the gameplay is still on?

Phanataz

02-21-2002, 10:04 PM

Try playing without sound and see if its more stable. I dont think turning your sound volume all the way down in UT will do it. I think you have to go pull down your console (~ key) and type in preferences, and i think it's under Game Engine Settings or something like that. Also, turn of digital music too.

Try to take a printscreen when the error comes up.

outdoor

02-21-2002, 10:46 PM

thanks phan, i'll try to turn the sound off. Do you want me to take the screenshot WHEN the problem happens or the error msg?

Haven't tried to play in 'safe mode' though...

F7:
flashing my bios is dangerous....is it?

Phanataz

02-22-2002, 01:05 AM

well you just have to know what you are doing. I've actually ruined a motherboard, because I used the wrong bios. Most newer boards have a fail safe, so that if you screw up flashing the bios, you can recover the motherboard from it.

-tekg0d-

02-22-2002, 02:43 AM

w00t 1000 post orPhan..
trying to encroach on freaks Spam Potentate status ;)

outdoor

02-22-2002, 03:43 AM

ok here's the screenshot i got:C:\Documents and Settings\user\Desktop

outdoor

02-22-2002, 03:44 AM

oops.... pressed the wrong button.... here it is again:

outdoor

02-22-2002, 03:47 AM

this screenshot was taken right after my UT auto-quitted. The mouse and keyboard didn't froze tho....

and phan was there..... i was playing on soggy.... and the map was florida shark attack..

Phanataz

02-22-2002, 04:25 AM

do you have sound off or no?

outdoor

02-22-2002, 04:36 AM

sound on..... sorry i was so desperate to play....:p

outdoor

02-22-2002, 04:37 AM

anyone kno what my screenshot error window mean?????

sigh. why does everyone's UT works fine but me?

Pink Pony

02-22-2002, 11:02 PM

Hey, I feel your pain. If you read my post above, these error messages are never the same. I'v e had ones that are just as big (and confusing). For God's sake, if you figure out the cause, let me know. Me and Britney still feel the only way to respond is if enough people send them into Epic, and then maybe, maybe, will something be done about it

PP

Blackheart

02-23-2002, 01:41 AM

Have I been getting the same error the past few days it has buged the fu@k out of me!!!!!