Camping

[outdoor]

um...
i wouldn't say all 'no' to camping... afterall, it's a way to defend...:D

please give comments!!!

[HortonsWho]

It's defense--- you kill the enemy, they can't take the flag, they can't kill you.

It's why it's a "sniper rifle" WITH a scope--- so you can kill precisely from long distance.

Now -- I will say that, if you are in a small map like "MyLittleRoom" and you perch at the top near your flag with a shock rifle and nobody can ever get near your flag--- or if you camp a teleport with the Hammer, well, that can get really old pretty fast--- but it is using the tools of the game to achieve your goal of WINNING. However-- most of your team mates will probably blast you out of the way for piston camping... hehe

[SunnyDay]

I've loved the topic of camping ever since playing RTCW..
Most of the multiplayer maps are objective oritented. And I play on servers where you only get 1 life. Get killed and your out.

Now when your on the defensive side its always funny to hear the other team complain that your camping. Correct me if I'm wrong but do they want me to move out of the way so they can blow up the communications tower? Do they not realise that thier job is to attack and mine is to DEFEND. I have 1 chance I'm gonna try to utilize it to max effiency.

How do they want us to defend? Thats what I want to know. And they never have an answer for me when I ask.

Even in this game, how do you want us to defend our flags?

I'd like some info from all the anti-camping people. This isn't DM we have to defend these things. How should we defend and not be called campers?

[Recon]

Ref. Recon's New World Dictionary.

"camping is what you do at the enemy base, not at home."

Tell em to quit whining. Or you could demonstrate real camping so they know the difference. :D

[SunnyDay]

Very good answer Recon. I like that.

[Creeper]

"Camping". either in your own base or the enemy base, has it's purpose. BUT.. there's usally better things you could be doing with your time.. like covering your FC.. or hunting down the enemy's FC.

Piston camping? Never.

[outdoor]

Originally posted by SunnyDay
And I play on servers where you only get 1 life. Get killed and your out.

do you mean counter-strike, rouge spear, etc.??


anyways, i've seen some people in this server kicking their own teamate's butt when they camp...... wonder if that is right...

[SoBeiT]

Yes...we call it team play, we're playing with you..hehe.

[[IMD1]KillRoy]

Camping as in camping the base

Or camping as in sniping (the whole game in one spot)


First 1 is OK

Second 1 needs to killed!! :D

[outdoor]

Originally posted by [IMD1]KillRoy
Camping as in camping the base

Or camping as in sniping (the whole game in one spot)


First 1 is OK

Second 1 needs to killed!! :D

how bout camping in base AND sniping? hehe:p

[[IMD1]KillRoy]

How about camping with the redeemer? Now thats original.... :p

[BOOBS]

My problem is and has always been the thin line between camping and defense. Is it defense when there are 10 guys on a team and 9 of them do nothing but stand near the flag and not only kill anyone who gets there but then telefrags all together to pick up the flag so they can get "stats". It is just to bad you can not kill your own team because then it would be funny because most of these people would kill each other just to get the stats. Also is it defense when you are down 4-0 and still the same 9 guys are just hanging around the flag. I understand defense, defense is not camping.

[BOOBS]

there is a huge difference between camping and sniping. There is a snipper rifle it is part of the game. A whole team trying to get return the flag stats is not. I just wonder that if there was not stats for returning the flag would there be as much camping? I dought it. Just my meager two cents. ;)

[Play]

I think we all agreed that 9 guys covering the flag, for whatever reason, was lame in a prior post. Let's not kick a dead horse.

The definition of "camping" is very subjective. What you may consider camping others might consider defending. For example, personally, I hate snipers, but for some and in some situation that is a valid defense. My philosophy is I'll do whatever I have to do to cover my FC, defend the base, or cap the flag no matter what the cost is or no matter how many innocent bystanders get hurt. **One exception: There is absolutely no excuse for pistion camping [period].** If I happen to spawn kill you a couple of times, that was only because my FC was there. When the FC is gone, then continuing to spawn kill is just cheap.

What it comes down to is your actions will be judged on the battlefield by your opponents and especially by your team members. Fortunately, all the regs here play with some sense of fairness and integrity. Thus, if you're a camper, don't be surprise if you find yourself suddenly falling down the side of a cliff or swimming in lava. When you turn around, the last person you'll prob'ly see is your own team member, hopefully me. :D

[Viper]

I would have to agree with Recon:"camping is what you do at the enemy base, not at home."

and what Play said
**One exception: There is absolutely no excuse for pistion camping [period].**

I use only sniper rifle for 2 things: defending my FC and for killing all who are trying to take my flag.....I don't care about the points that you get for killing a flag carrier or returning your flag....I love to see "Viper Defended the flag carrier"
Take my flag, I shoot your head off.."Head Shot".....

[_F7_]

I look at it as a personal preference kinda thing.

Personally, I would ask someone to shoot me IRL if my gaming abilities resorted to standing still and getting cheap kills on flag rushers with a shock rifle.

To me, that's not "playing". No one likes to lose. Me least of all. But I'll be damned if I have to resort to cheap kills to play.

You can still defend and not camp. "Patrolling" is my method of defending. Checking the entrances to the flag room to kill intruders and chasing any flag grabbers.

Camping and one shot sniping or using shock combos in my mind is cheap, frustrating, and completely lacks any skill whatsoever.

[drinking vodka]

just few additional points that haven't been mentioned yet...

if the other team is sniper heavy, it's sweet to give them a taste of their own medicine... 5 snipers on a ridge is 5 quick heads shots on your way to their flag... if not, sneak up behind them and drop a rocket into their skulls, or surf up a 'deemer and watch 'em run.

also, if i'm gettin' massive lag on a given map, i'll be more inclined to camp/defend more and move less... it's a technical evil, but **** happens. the long range weapons serve a purpose... like it or not, we all lose our heads from time to time.

agreed, piston camping is just lame

lastly, if anyone thinks that sniping at recon is the way to go, you certainly have a world of pain and hell ahead of you... not only is he a damn good player, but he is unforgiving... last night i saw him blast through a window, go through a firefight, past the flag, just to cap someone sniping in a very small map, then he hooks back grabs the flag and snakes out of our base all in 3 seconds flat... it was a true thing of beauty!

all murder, all guts, all fun
vodka

[Mudhammer]

lastly, if anyone thinks that sniping at recon is the way to go, you certainly have a world of pain and hell ahead of you... not only is he a damn good player, but he is unforgiving... last night i saw him blast through a window, go through a firefight, past the flag, just to cap someone sniping in a very small map, then he hooks back grabs the flag and snakes out of our base all in 3 seconds flat... it was a true thing of beauty!

Roger that! I made the mistake of sniping him on that huge crater map the other day and he was on me immediately! I knew it would happen but damn!
Hell, he kicks my a$$ all the time anyway, don't know what possessed me to give him a reason to come after me. :confused:

[Play]

Breathing and just being there seem to come to mind..:D

[Creeper]

imho, shock-combos are every bit a part of the game as sniper rifles, RL, deemers, xloc, etc, etc. It's not like Epic 'accidentally' included the combo feature.

F7 is right about patrolling. It's the way to go. It is just as effective, AND give your FC some cover when they get closer to the base. Just ask PLAY about getting killed with the flag close to the base for lack of cover :D

However.. some maps, (ctf-uni comes to mind) has so many entrace/exits, that 'patrolling' leaves large gaps in the defense. So, if you want a secure base (and who doesn't, really.. ), the only way is to take out anyone going for the flag, via sniper, RL, mini.. or yes, shock combo.

Other maps, (say.. Redneckneighbors) are open enough that on defense, you're much better off being outside the base.. err.. trailer park :D Same goes for AtomicIslands2,3.

So, imo, the exact defense strategy, like the offense strategy, depends on the map. Remember, offense is different from Krakatonia to Magickingdoms2 to Eserhim. And then there's sedischtiws in there someplace to. Defense has to adapt to maps also.

Party on

[BOOBS]

Like I said, right on F7

[Recon]

Hehe, you saw that, huh dv. ty.

As I mentioned before, sound is 1/2 if notmore of the game. Ref. FC dieing at the doorstep. If your in you base, you hear a boom, scream and "Play dropped the Red flag", run in that direction. You may find a flag laying there.

THIS HAPPENS ALOT. I can honestly average this to at least once out of 2-3 games.

Well said F7, "patrolling" is an excellent choice of words.;)

[Play]

In order to prevent another nervous breakdown episode, my therapist has adviced me to no longer discuss this matter.:p

[freshie]

Originally posted by SunnyDay
How do they want us to defend? Thats what I want to know. And they never have an answer for me when I ask.

Even in this game, how do you want us to defend our flags?

I'd like some info from all the anti-camping people. This isn't DM we have to defend these things. How should we defend and not be called campers?

Camping has typical meant that you find a spot. Use your sniper rifle, piston or shock rifle, to the advantage of that spot, with little regard for any other action that is going on.

Now defense is perfectly legal, and valid thing to do. I like to play a little D now and again. But the game quickly becomes boring when you have 4 people hidden in nooks in crannies in the enemy base, ready to use the shock-h0 combo.

these games quickly come to be throwing yourself at the enemy and hoping to take out one or two of these people in the hope that someone else can come in behind you and grab the flag. I don't have an answer for what to do about this. But I would find the game really boring If all i did was sit around with a shockrifle.. burrowed in a corner, waiting for some enemy to come running into my base.

Otherwise, it's perfectly fine to play defense. Grabbing the flag and running wouldn't be so much fun if nobody gave chase.